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War In Iraq/Terrorists

cableguy

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the reporting and the dems, and a few select republicans, are the same... the major difference here is that this war is not being fought by politicians... our military, and those allies who have troops on the ground, are given a mission, and allowed to complete it... sadly, as the dems and the mainstream media have a vested interest in the US losing--yes, losing--this war, by and large, only the bad things are reported... its shameful and disgraceful, and sometimes borderline treasonous, but there it is... also, there has been a firm "get out of iraq" deadline set... the enemies now are mostly not iraqis, but foreign terrorists from iran, syria, saudi arabia, and other similar countries... in vietnam, we fought vietnamese, with the occasional russian thrown in... our troops will come home when the job is done... not before.. the same folks you hear complaining about the war now would, after a premature withdrawl, be whining and yelling about the US not finishing what we started... hypocracy, yes, but history shows this to be true... the only folks comparing this war to vietnam are those who want us to lose it...
 

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Why is it then that the Republicans are refusing to help out veterans of the war with their health care coverage? They are overextending the military, which will make it impossible to "finish the job." And that they are thinking of going into Syria and Iran makes the situation much worse.

They should have finished in Afghanistan and let the inspectors do their work in Iraq before invading. That way they could have a concerted effort for each mission. But no, Bush has too much Attention Deficit Disorder to focus on one thing at a time.
 

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You are right it is Viet Nam all over again. Just like Viet Nam the liberal press is painting a picture of gloom and scaring the American public. All in an attempt to turn the public agianst the men and women who fight for the freedoms of all Americans. Prime example the comments of Dick Durbin and the liberal media not making it a front page story. Complete BS.
 

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Tex,

"All in an attempt to turn the public agianst the men and women who fight..."

Incorrect. This is not about the men and women who fight, this is about the chickenhawks that got us into this mess. You know, you see very few people upset about Afghanistan (other than we should have finsihed the job) but there are LOTS or people upset with Iraq. A war gw started for no reason other than to get even for his father.
 

Cman

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Hey Mr. Facist Man, screw up my agenda!

Daylight come and we'll blow stuff up!
 

mindido

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Tex,

I'm with CMan. Do you really like being a fascist?
 

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Tex, it reads like Francis Fukuyama's End Of History, a bit of Capitalist but hey if the Right-wing Capitalist ain't going to congratulate himself who is? :lol:
 

Texan

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It is the left that believe that they are better than everyone.

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."---Winston Churchill
 

Zinista

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Texan said:
All in an attempt to turn the public agianst the men and women who fight for the freedoms of all Americans.

I don't think the public are turning against the people who are on the battle ground but rather the figureheads who are making the decisions...

Also I'm having a hard time (as are many Australians) working out what was the loss of freedom that justified going into Iraq..
 

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zin, it is literally impossible to do that... the President is the highest ranking military officer in the US... because of LAWS, certain orders must be disobeyed if given... the lefties would love to hold President Bush accountable for abu graib and anything that MIGHT have happened at club gitmo, but they fail to take the next step... the soldiers carrying out orders deemed them valid and lawful... IF egragious acts are carried out, the lefties, to have half a leg to stand on, must impugn the entire military and all who serve in it as well as the President and secdef... you simply cant have one without the other... any criticism of the actions taken by the military is a criticism OF the military... period...

regarding your second point, please find and read the 2002 state of the union speech... President Bush made mention of how terrorism was to be defined, and the rules the US would use in combating it.. congress, in an overwhelmingly bipratisan manner, passed legislation supporting his words... in short, terrorists anywhere in the world are fair game, and any nation that harbors or supports terrorists is considered a terrorist nation, and thereby also fair game... iraq under saddam MAY not have had anything to do with 9/11/01, but he DID support al quaeda, and he DID harbor terrorists... he also donated to the "suicide bomber life insurance fund"... it isnt about lost freedom, it is about killing the bad guys, so they dont blow up hospitals, markets, schools, airplanes, and skyscrapers... when the lives of innocents are the stated target of this scourge, being proactive is the only way to fight this menace... bottom line, it was, and remains, a preventative measure... saddam will no longer support terrorism, and i, for one, feel much better about the terrorists fighting legitimate armed servicemembers NOT on American soil, than i would if it was the terrorists targeting American civillians here at home...

mindido, an ad hominem... how novel and surprising... when in doubt, or in a position of weakness, start name calling and mud slinging... learn what facism is before using the word as a descriptive of someone... facists take peoples guns away... facists outlaw speech... facists dont believe in capitalism...

mindido and iceberg, under what circumstances would you say a war SHOULD be fought??? how far should it go, and what are your conditions for victory, if any?? i believe what we have here is a case of ashamed pacifists, though i am not sure... here is a quote for you to consider...



“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
 
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war|forever

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The terrorists hate our freedom guys. Don't you get that? Like, our cheese pizzas and shit. Oh. And miniskirts. They hate that shit too. But not as much as Jews.
 
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