All-Encompassing World of Aircraft

[oscaraustin]

I'm enthralled by aircraft, at least Aviator seems to like them as well, so I'm making this thread for anyone with any interest whatsoever in anything related to aircraft.

This is the place to:
-Post pictures of aircraft. (or movies I suppose)
-Raise any questions or comments you have pertaining to an aircraft.
-Lobby for your favorite aircraft past, present, or future.
-Military, commercial, private, whatever your fancy.

This includes derigibles, zeppelins, helicopters, airplanes of course, et cetera.

Aviator has provided us with a start (from "Funny Images..." thread

- ^ named the ascender.
- check out the prop placement.
- reread the name "ascender".
- and tell me that isn't funny shit.

Ah, the Curtiss XP-55. I'm a big fan of the crazy shit scientists were cranking out at the end of WWII (and canard planes), so I love that thing. The Kyushu J7W1 Shinden is cool too.

End of WWII through Korean War were definitely the best days of innovative aviation. From the He-162/Me-262, first jets, to the first supersonic aircraft. Plus, I'm more of an advocate of the dogfight, and as of Vietnam, guns have become almost negatable.

Canard planes. I'm with you on this one,I love the Saab Gripen (Sweden), Dassault's Rafale (France), the Eurofighter, and what was the MiG-1.44. Canards (when the control surface is in front of the wing, not behind) make the plane look so much more advantageous/striking/fighter-like. Then you have the Sukhoi SuperFlankers, which are just badass, Canards and tails. I'd take a Su-35 over an F/A-22 anyday, but then I don't like stealth.

Edit: added picsof what I mentioned. From left to right: JAS-39 Gripen, Rafale, Typhoon, and Su-35 SuperFlanker.



***Note** I have this in links and games because I split off of the "Funny Images..." thread. If the Mods want to move it to either Bullshit or Discussion it makes sense to me, If you do, sorry for making you work.

 

[OCC-402]

The best aircraft casemod

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* Independent sound system that plays the USA national anthem
o NOTE: The audio can be re-recorded as anything via a hidden switch
* Hard drive activity light built into 13cm long aircraft
o Cockpit lights blue, engines light red
o Aircraft is easily removable for play
* Easily removable cover to view computer components
* 1GHZ CPU with MPEG acceleration
* DVD-ROM drive
* 4GB hard drive
* 6-in-1 memory card reader/writer
* VGA and RCA video out
* 2 USB, 2 firewire connections
* 100Mb ethernet
* Designed for playing music, movies, pictures

# Custom Keyboard

* Specially colored to match the Military theme
* Keyboard lights replaced with patriotic colors
* USB connection with custom pattern on cable

# Custom Mouse

* Optical precision mouse
* Specially shaped to resemble a small navy vessel
* Custom painted to support the theme
* Patriotic lights on top designed not to be blindly bright
* USB connection with custom pattern on cable

 

[oscaraustin]

The best aircraft casemod

:shock: :shock: :shock: I'll take SIX! I'd waste even more time on my computers with that amazing set up. My question though: Can i play with the Tomcats??

At Conman: Supermarine Spitfire is definitely the most important plane over Europe, no doubt. When first got into WWII aviation it was my favorite, because it was the easiest to notice (via the elliptical wing shape). For my favorite plane of the whole era, it's between the Corsair and Spitfire. In there respective theatres they're my favorite easily. Although, the Hellcat is a badass over the Pacific, too. I've never been a fan of the Mustang in Europe, The Me-109 is a fine piece of machinery, but from what I've heard (my "grandfather" flew one so he tells stories) the 109 took a lot of concentration and was fairly difficult to fly, meaning the pilot couldn't devote his attention to the enemy planes.

I frequent airshows fairly often in warmer months, and I've seen a lot Corsairs fly in them, but I've only seen 2 Spits, both just as ground exhibits, neither flew. Even though I'm stateside, it's a popular plane, I just wish more people would fly them at shows.

 

[stu2906]

The Spitfire is also in my opinion the best aeroplane ever. To me it has always been the foremost image in my mind whenever i think of the battle for air domination fought over this country during the war.

I also live about a mile from the site of the Castle Bromwich Aerodrome Factory (now home of Jaguar Cars in Birmingham). Where over 12,000 spitfires were manufactured between 1940 and 1945.

Over 37,000 test flights were made from the attached Aerodrome many by the Chief test pilot Alex Henshaw MBE. A quote i found on a website just is as follows ‘The Castle Bromwich Aeroplane Factory became the anvil on which the sword of freedom was forged.’ Someone was clearly impressed.

For a site of such historical local and military interest it is therefore surprising that all that gave a hint of the area, which is now a housing estate, ever being an aerodrome is the cafe over the road which is called "The Drome" (this excellent cafe (diner) has been open since the war).

It was in 1997 when the regeneration of the area began that a local artist Tim Tolkien (Nephew of the man himself apparently) was commisioned to design a sculpture to reflect the history of the area. In 2000 this was unveiled.

At about 17 meters tall it is a fitting reminder of the grace and beauty of the machine and the bravery of its pilots, from many nations, as well as the industrial heritage of the site.

Sorry for being a little boring but i thought spitfire fans might be interested.

 

[Aviator]

Excellent thread oscaraustin. I was just about to make a spinoff thread myself, so it's nice to see we think alike. And as my name clearly implies, I love planes. Here's one that hasn't gotten a mention yet, the Henschel Hs129 "Panzerknacker":



It was essentially a flying tank: slow, heavily armored, and sporting a 75mm cannon as the the main armament,. It's main function as a tank destroyer and frontal design remind quite a bit of the A-10 Thunderbolt II:



As I said before, I love canard planes, in particular propeller planes. Here's a more modern one, the Beech Starship:

 

[oscaraustin]

Stu, not boring at all. I at least like hearing that kinda stuff. Right near where I live is a factory where they produced B-24 Liberators during WWII. There was an air musem there, Yankee Air Museum, a few months ago it burned up pretty badly. They got most of the aircraft out, but the facility is toast. Oddly, though, they didn't have any B-24s at the museum. I like that Spitfire sculpture, quite elegant, just wish the road sign wasn't right in front of it like that. :?

Hey, Conman, the B-24 doesn't make your classic beauty list? :wink: Jusy kidding, I actually tried to locate a good pic, but couldnt find one worth posting really. *EDit* I like the MiG-15 in the 45-59 time range it had the great name "Fagot", obviously French for "Faggot." The explanation for this name I heard is because those damn things came up on your ass, hard!

Aviator, I've been thinking about starting this for awhile, your post just gave me the opportunity (knowing others might want it to) to make it happen. Isn't the Beech Starship a concept for a feasibly affordable commuter jet of the near future timeframe. I think i remember seeing a program on it, as well as other propdriven craft similar to it. Props over jets for for ease of operation, as well as reducing the cost. I'd like for the age of private commuter flight into small airports to come around, even little Cessna's right now are far out of my price range. Although, i don't think flying will catch on in the Obese States of America until we have fly through restaurants. :? Walking off the airfield is too much to ask...

That He-129 is impressive. I like the 70mm underneath. I'm sure the recoil would throw it around like hell though. I've never seen the 129 before this, this thread is paying off already! The A-10 is an amazing plane obviously taking some ideas from the He-129, sad that they are going to be retiring the A-10 in the next 10 years or so. I don't think even the F-35 with all of its new onboard systems, and precision guided weapons will be able to do the job of the A-10. One pass it'llbe able to take out 1 maybe 2 tanks, whereas the A-10 could take out an entire column in a single pass.

Speaking of the F-35, not sure how many people follow the JSF, but it affects British, Canadian, U.S. and other nations air forces as well, I'm really not happy with the X-35 beating the X-32 for the development contract. I'm pretty certain the decision was made almost entirely on Lockheed-Martin's lift fan for the STOVL variant (successor to the UHarrier and Sea Harrier) in their demonstrator. And that's bullshit,because the aircraft itself is little if any better than an F-16 as far as performance goes. The 32 from what I've read and seen could dance circles around the 35. Plus the 32 just looked cooler (at least the altered proposed development version). Oh well, we're going to have to live with the F-35 instead of the A-10, F-16, F-18c/d, and AV-8 now. I don't hate the 35, i like parts of it, i just don't think it's as good as the F-32 would have been.

X-32 one real, one art.

F-32 one a mock-up, one art.

X-32B 2 of the B (STOVL) variant one hovering, one converting to hover. (You can see the lift fan in the second pic)

F-35 mock-up

 

[oscaraustin]

Nice posting Conman, easily the MVP of this thread so far. SR-71 is well deserving of that big spread, amazing plane it was, still is. There is one at a museum down in Florida with an elongated fuel boom off the back, I'll post pictures if I can find them, but I in years of searching I haven't come across any online. I really don't like the U2, but then I'm a go fast, turn hard, look mean airplane enthusiast.

Working backwards here obviously, the F-4 is one of my favorites of all time. Really, the U.S.'s first large air to air superiority fighter, then even better when converted to the Wild Wiesel. It's bulky, powerful, and still looks like rugged machinery, the same reasons I love Sukhois and MiGs. Function over form. I'm a big fan of the A-7 Corsair II (or Corsader as I often refer to it being that it's based off the airframe of the F-8 Crusader). It's a lot more compact and capable than the older F-8 though. More weapons load, doesn't have that absurd piviting wing for carrier landings. It looks much nicer with the shorter fuselage as well. There are still a few A-7s in service in South Carolina, Air Nat'l Guard I'm sure, but still flying.

The BAC Lightning, Su-22, and MiG-21 are the last of the simple jet age in my opinion. Where you had the intake in the nose, and it ran right down the middle of the fuselage to the engine. It's a great look for an aircraft. The MiG-21 is still being produced by factories, 30+ years into its service. There also looking at modifying it for "fifth generation service," although, I think it may better suit Russia, et al to build a completely new airframe a la MiG I-2000. Although, the MiG-21 was of the best fighters in the sky for a long time.

MiG-21 MiG I-2000 concept


So, now then nothing at all to do with simple jet design, I give to you the Boeing Bird of Prey Stealth Demonstrator.



It's more simple than it looks though, just intended to demonstrate Boeing's future stealth ideas, i.e. no vertical tail, intake masked behind the cockpit (my favorite design, and reason why i like this aircraft). This intake concept is actually put into place on the Pegasus X-47 UCAV built by Northrop Grumman. Of course, being a UCAV it doesn't have a cockpit, but it does have a hump with onboard systems inside. On that note, I HATE UCAVs! (Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles, attack drones) Recon missions are one thing... using them to fight is a complete other, and if you aren't willing to risk life, then you shouldn't be fighting at all.

X-47

 

[Aviator]

Jets and rockets are great, but my interest drops quite bit when aircraft start losing their propellers. My real love is for planes developed between the two World Wars, a time better known as the Golden Age of Aviation. Some more significant aircraft of the era:

Hughes H1



Revolutionary racing plane built by Howard Hughes (before he went completely insane) that influenced the design of fighter planes for years to come. Some of its innovations included retractable landing gear and rivets flush with the main body, both of which improved the aerodynamic flow of the plane. I believe the H1’s creation will be featured in Martin of Scorsese’s new film, The Aviator.

Hughes H4 Hercules “Spruce Goose”



Still one of the largest aircraft ever built, with a wingspan dwarfing even the C-5 Galaxy cargo plane (320 ft wide vs. 223 ft). Its main innovation was the "artificial feel system", essentially a form of power steering that gave the impression that one was flying a much smaller plane. At the time very few people thought the Goose could fly, and as a result it was often called the Flying Lumberyard.

Ryan NYP "Spirit of St. Louis"



Worthless trivia: Charles Lindberg, America’s hero, was an anti-Semite and Nazi supporter. They actually gave him a metal, and he refused to give it back despite widespread public outrage. More worthless trivia: Despite being named the Spirit of St. Louis, the plane was actually built in my hometown of San Diego. In fact, our main international airport is named Lindberg Field.

Douglas DC-3



Probably the most important plane ever built. Despite only holding 28 passengers (14 with sleeping quarters), and having a top speed of around 153 mi/h (246 km/h), it nonetheless ushered in a new era where air travel is something normal and commonplace, not front page news. Many people took their first flight in a DC-3, especially Allied GIs who got a ride in it as the C-47 Skytrain.


More aircraft from the 20s and 30s tomorrow hopefully.

 

[Aviator]

Yup, though I believe it was his overall personality that brought about his downfall.

 

[cableguy]

often forgotten among the sexier fighters, here is one that was cheap to develop, produce, maintain, and fly... not all of the fancy electronics most American fighters have, in fact, this one, though American, was for export only... i believe it could hold its own in a knife fight against most aircraft out there, even the expensive ones... it is an improvement/derivative of the F-5...

ladies and gentleman, the F-20 Tigershark

 

[oscaraustin]

My 3 favorite Russians just got mentioned by Conman: the Flanker(Su-27-37), Fulcrum(MiG-29), and Foxbat(MiG-25)/hound(MiG-31).

The Foxhound can outspeed just about anything, eeven a B-1B Lancer or a Tu-160 Blackjack. It (the 25, later the 31) was designed after all to shoot down the now retired SR-71. Then the Flanker (heavier class) and Fulcrum (lighter class) can outmaneuver just about everything. Especially the Sukhoi's (Su) when they get to be Su-35 SuperFlankers.

These 2 will probably be posted better by Conman, but

B-1B Lancer


Tu-160 Blackjack


Yea, they look alot alike, the Blackjack is the Russian counter to the Lancer. Both fly ~mach 1.2 at sea level.

 

[OCC-402]

Northrop Grumman B-2A Spirit

Revealed on November 22, 1988, the B-2A is a stealth strategic bomber which resulted from a program started in 1978. The first of six prototypes made its maiden flight on July 17, 1989 with testing scheduled to be completed in 1997. The B-2 is shaped in the form of a 'flying wing', with smoothly contoured surfaces and rounded edges to help deflect radar. Engine exhausts are positioned above and back of the wing front-edge to help reduce infrared signatures. The USAF plan to acquire a total of 20 B-2A aircraft.

The B-2 will probably only be built in small numbers (currently 21 have been ordered), because the cost of replacing all the old B-52's is considered to be far too high. The B-2 is a stealth bomber, a flying wing design with a smooth, rounded upper surfaces, but angular wingtips and a0 double-W trailing edge. The four engines are deeply buried in the midwing section. The B-2 is difficult and expensive to operate, with 124 maintenance hours per flight hour.

Development of the ATB (Advanced Technology Bomber) began in 1978; the programme was revealed to the public in 1981, when Northrop's design was chosen over a Lockheed/Rockwell proposal. Although no details of the design were revealed, it was widely assumed that the aircraft would be a "flying wing" design, based on Northrop's experience with the XB-35 and YB-49, and this was confirmed when the first prototype was rolled out on 22 November 1988. It made its first flight on 17 July 1989, and the first production B-2 was delivered to the USAF in 1993. Production plans have been drastically cut from 135 aircraft to only 20, of which the last is expected to be delivered in 1997. The aircraft was officially named "Spirit" in February 1994; Northrop became Northrop Grumman in May 1994.

Vital statistics (B-2A): length 21.03 m, span 52.42 m, empty weight 72575 kg, max weight 168434 kg, max speed 1103 km/h, range 13898 km, payload 22370 kg; power plant: four 84.51 kN General Electric F118-100 turbofans.

Prime contractor: Northrop Grumman Corporation
Nation of origin: USA
Function: Strategic stealth bomber
Crew: 2/3
Year: 1989
In-service year: Complete delivery by 2000
Engine: Four General Electric F118-GE-110 non-afterburning turbofans, 19,000 lb thrust each
Wing span: 52.43 m
Wing Area: 465.5 m2
Length: 21.03 m
Height: 5.18 m
Weight: 168434 kg
Ceiling: 16765 m
Speed: 1103 km/h
Range: 18,520 km with one air refuel
Armament: Up to 80,000 lb including 16 B61/B83 nuclear bombs, 80 Mk82 1,000 lb bombs or 16 Mk84 2,000 lb bombs, 36 M117 750 lb fire bombs, 36 cluster bombs, or 80 Mk36 1,000 lb sea mines
Unit cost: 800-1300 million USD

 

[Da' Pimp]

I've always loved that Fucking Aircraft OCC. Nice choice.

My favorite has always been the Harrier II

AV-8B Harrier II Specifications

Primary Function: STOVL close-support
Contractor: McDonnell Douglas
Crew: One
Unit Cost: $23,700,000

Powerplant
one Rolls-Royce (Yeah Bitch :headbang: ) F402-RR-408 Pegasus (23,800 lb)

Dimensions
Length: 46.3 feet
Wingspan: 30.3 feet
Height: 11 feet, 7 inches

Weights
Empty: 14,867 lb
Maximum Takeoff: 31,000 lb
Performance
Speed: 1.0 Mach
Ceiling: 50,000+ feet
Combat Radius: 103 mi (90 nm / 167 km)

Armament
* One fuselage-mounted 25 mm gun system
* Standard Air-to-Ground (A/G) load: Six Mk 82, 500 pound bombs
* Standard Air-to-Air (A/A) load: Four AIM-9L/M Sidewinder missiles
* Provisions for carrying up to 9,000 pounds of ordnance on seven stations

AV-8B Harrier II Achievements

* Most forward deployed tactical strike aircraft in combat
* Flew 3,380 sorties for a total of 4,112 combat hours while maintaining a mission capable rate of more than 90%

AV-8B Harrier II Features

The AV-8B was designed with a larger-area carbon-fiber supercritical wing, a completely revised and raised cockpit, and advanced aerodynamic devices which enhanced lift capabilities over the AV-8A. From the 167th airframe on, USMC ( :wink: ) AV-8Bs were fitted with a FLIR, head-down display, a moving map in color, and an enhanced HUD, all of which made them night-attack capable. The 205th production aircraft, designated the AV-8B Harrier II Plus, is equipped with the Hughes AN/APG-64 radar which gives it the capability to launch AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles and AIM-7 Sparrow AAMs, as well as AGM-84 Harpoon anti-shipping missiles.

 

[The Young One]

check out this sexy piece of machinery:

makes me sweat every time i sees 'er

TWO WINGS
ONE, COUNT THEM, ONE TAIL!!!

 

[oscaraustin]

A-6E and EA-6B

A-6 Intruder
Designed as an all weather carrier based attack aircraft, with a heavy weapons payload, and side by side 2 man cockpit. The A-6 is not fancy, sleak, or striking, but it was a sturdy platform which produced variants capable of squadron in-flight refueling (Picture #5) as well as priceless radar jamming (See EA-6B).


EA-6B Prowler
The better known variant of the A-6, designed for electronic warfare. Notable differences include the lengthened fuselage to accomodate more onboard systems as well as 2 additional crew members, a large protrusion on the tail carrying electronic equipment, and the underwing jammers that are the boxes with a small "propeller" on them (In Pic 3, the jammer is on the outboard pylon, a HARM is on the inboard pylon). The primary role of the Prowler is radar jamming and fleet protection, however it also undertakes a role similar to Wild Weasel units in taking out SAM (surface to air missile) sites with its only offensive armament, HARMs (High speed antiradiation missiles).



A-12 Avenger II or "Flying Dorito"
Northrup Grumman proposed replacement for the A-6. Two internal bays for sidewinder missiles, as well as, two internal bays for air to surface weapons or AMRAAMs. It's payload would be less than the A-6's due to limits of internal carriage, however, the "dorito" design served for excellent stealth advantages. However, as nearly every military venture has been inthe last 10/15 years, the A-12 was cancelled due to budgetary concerns. The F/A-18E/F will be taking over both Electronic Warfare missions (EA-18G Growler) and also there are plans to turn the F/A-18E/F into a Squadron in-flight refueler as well. I dislike the U.S. Navy's new found dependance on that less than great aircraft.

 

[mindido]

Hey stu2906,

Just a slight quibble with your statement, "The Spitfire is also in my opinion the best aeroplane ever. To me it has always been the foremost image in my mind whenever i think of the battle for air domination fought over this country during the war."

I don't think the Spitfire was the "best" plane of its era, that would probably go to the P-51, but it was certainly the most important. What it, and its pilots, did for British morale at the time is incalculable. There may be no truer statement than that of Churchill's, "Never have so many owed so much to so few....."

 

[oscaraustin]

I think stu was speaking from personal preference and not technical aspects or performance abilities of the aircraft. On that I agree with him, the spitfire is my favorite aircraft from WWII. I disagree with the P-51 as the best of the period. Most of the pilots during WWII as well as aviation historians say that the Me-109 was the best aircraft during the war by leaps and bounds, based on its performance abilities. The problem with the Me-109 was that it was hard to fly and took many more hours of training than either a Spitfire or Mustang. With Germany's tendency to leave their aces on the front lines instead of having them return to train new pilots, their aces mostly eventually were killed and then replaced with inadequently trained pilots. Then, the easier to fly Spits were able to take advantage of novice pilots. If you go on combat records, the Spitfire was the best aircraft. If you go on which flies best the 109, however own the prior really matters.

 

[stu2906]

Hey stu2906,

Just a slight quibble with your statement, "The Spitfire is also in my opinion the best aeroplane ever. To me it has always been the foremost image in my mind whenever i think of the battle for air domination fought over this country during the war."

I don't think the Spitfire was the "best" plane of its era, that would probably go to the P-51, but it was certainly the most important. What it, and its pilots, did for British morale at the time is incalculable. There may be no truer statement than that of Churchill's, "Never have so many owed so much to so few....."

I think that, although you admit to it's importance, you have indeed missed my point. Whether the Spit is technically superior to the 51 is irrelevant. The Spitfire is an icon of Britishness that has formed a part of the British psyche [not sure if spelled this right] and is the plane most think of when we imagine the Battle for Britain. The statistics of the actuality are perhaps, as Conman suggests, a technical draw but a win for the allied forces (i originally typed British but i have always been a strong believer in supporting our allies so must thank the Free French, Polish, Canadian, Czech, Irish, American, Belgian, Australian, South African and all others who flew, fought and died in defence of true freedom and the country in which i live) perhaps this win was a psychological one but war is as much one morale as of men and we won both.

The Battle of Britain did not happen overnight but over several months, months in which hundreds of fine men died, on both sides, and i salute them all. We were also aided by RADAR, at that time a secret weapon in our arsenal, and were able to attack the enemy with great efficiency despite our lower numbers.

I found this link which gives some information although i feel it misses something: http://cz-raf.hyperlink.cz/bob/stat.html#types.

The only problem i have with the P51 is that it came, as did the USA, too late to the conflict. Not a fault with the aircraft but with the nation. Perhaps if the US had come to our aid before i would agree but we were the few that Churchill spoke of and for that the Spitfire has achieved a legendary status. I cannot think of any statistic which would beat this.

I thank Oscaraustin and Conman for their support and understanding in what i have said previously.

 

[mindido]

Hey stu2906,

Please do not misunderstand what I was trying to say. There is no doubt about the value of the Spitfire. I, personally, cannot think of any other plane, in any other era, that meant as much to the course of human history than the Spit. If it weren't for that little plane and its pilots, Europe today could still be under Axis control. If that little plane had not won the Battle of Britain, Hitler would have invaded and possibly won. The allies could never have opened a western front. Who knows what the world would be like today without that little plane and its pilots.

I'm a pilot, and I know that there is no plane in history that is held in as much reverence as the Spit. My only very minor quibble is with the term "best". Was the P-51 the best? I've never flown one but I do know people that have and they've said that there is nothing like it. Granted that it came to the fight late but it was of the same era and did contribute significantly.

The ME-109 was also a very good plane, as were most weapons produced by the Germans. I have heard that it was a bit like flying a truck though.

 

[stu2906]

Good call Conman, heres a bit more about the Hercules.

In it's secondary role as a gunship there are two main C130 variants both with awesome side mounted weaponry. They are primarily used as close support for ground troops and have seen action in Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Bosnia, Afghanistan & both Iraq wars.

AC-130 H Spectre
2 M61 20mm Vulcan cannons with 3,000 rounds
1 L60 40mm Bofors cannon with 256 rounds
1 M102 105mm howitzer with 100 rounds

AC-130 U Spooky
1 25mm GAU-12 Gatling gun 1,800 rounds per minute
1 L60 40mm Bofors cannon 100 shots per minute
1 M102 105mm cannon 6-10 rounds per minute



The fire control system offers a Dual Target Attack capability, whereby two targets up to one kilometer apart can be simultaneously engaged by two different sensors, using two different guns. Cool.

Demo Video.
http://www.atfgamers.com/AC130 Hercules Gunship demo video.mpeg

Targetting ground forces in Iraq
http://www.atfgamers.com/Banned Censored WAR AC130 Gunship In Operation Iraqi Freedom.wmv

A Herc letting go of it's flares
http://www.atfgamers.com/Aviation - Military - Airplane - C130 AngelDecoys.mpg