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US Domestic Spying

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We've had some preliminary discussions about the Bush administration's program on domestic warrantless wiretapping but it seems we now need that discussion expanded. It now appears that in addition to warrantless wiretapping, the administration also believes it has the "inherant ability" to do black bag jobs on US citizens, according to this article:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060327/27fbi.htm

So, first warrantless wiretaps and now warrantless physical searches of peoples homes, businesses and attorney's offices. Talk about a dangerous slippery slope.
 

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If the government has enough evidence to consider wiretapping or searching someone's home, they should have enough to get a warrant. This is blatantly invading our privacy as people and should not be allowed. I guess Orwell was only off by a couple decades...
 

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Ya know Min, I rented Good Night, and Good Luck the other night. I don't think this is as bad as McCarthyism yet, but there sure are a lot of parallels. Anyone who disagreed with McCarthy was a Commie. Anyone who disagrees with the Bushies "is a vote for the terrorists". You could go on and on.

Bush says it's OK to spy on terrorists. I agree but....he leaves out one important point - who gets to decide whether or not you're a terrorist? I thought it was the courts....
 

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Just ran across an interesting Doonesbury cartoon that got me thinking.



I think Senator Russ Feingold is right. It is time to at least censure this clown and hope that the Dems retake the House (at least). There are ways to win this war on terrorism, but not at the expense of our civil rights.
 

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Well, I guess no one else has heard of this so if you haven't, listen up. USA Today is reporting that the NSA (National Security Agency) has been collecting all of the phone records from virtually all of us. If your a customer of AT&T, SBC, Bell South or Verizon; they have your records, the record of every phone call that you've made within the last few years. The only major phone company to tell the NSA to get a warrant (which the NSA wouldn't do) was Qwest Communications (major hats off to them).

To this point, it appears that the NSA now has the phone records of about 200 million Americans. Making this the largest database in the world.

Why worry about this, you ask? Just think back a short time ago to when J. Edgar Hoover ran the FBI. He would have absolutely loved this. They "say" that they are only trolling for links to Al Quaeda, but as those of us who have lived through similar times will attest, its only a matter of time before this is used on political (and other types of) foes.

A few quotes from the article:

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added."

"For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made — across town or across the country — to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others."

"Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants.

Qwest's refusal to participate has left the NSA with a hole in its database. Based in Denver, Qwest provides local phone service to 14 million customers in 14 states in the West and Northwest. But AT&T and Verizon also provide some services — primarily long-distance and wireless — to people who live in Qwest's region. Therefore, they can provide the NSA with at least some access in that area."

"In 1975, a congressional investigation revealed that the NSA had been intercepting, without warrants, international communications for more than 20 years at the behest of the CIA and other agencies. The spy campaign, code-named "Shamrock," led to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which was designed to protect Americans from illegal eavesdropping."

"Over the years, NSA code-cracking techniques have continued to improve along with technology. The agency today is considered expert in the practice of "data mining" — sifting through reams of information in search of patterns. Data mining is just one of many tools NSA analysts and mathematicians use to crack codes and track international communications."

"Ma Bell's bedrock principle — protection of the customer — guided the company for decades, said Gene Kimmelman, senior public policy director of Consumers Union. "No court order, no customer information — period. That's how it was for decades," he said."

"The concern for the customer was also based on law: Under Section 222 of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers' calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as wireless calls, also are covered."

"The domestic and international call-tracking programs have things in common, according to the sources. Both are being conducted without warrants and without the approval of the FISA court."

"The NSA, which needed Qwest's participation to completely cover the country, pushed back hard.

Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to contribute to the database could compromise national security, one person recalled.

In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might affect its ability to get future classified work with the government. Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had classified contracts and hoped to get more.

Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest's lawyers asked NSA to take its proposal to the FISA court. According to the sources, the agency refused.

The NSA's explanation did little to satisfy Qwest's lawyers. "They told (Qwest) they didn't want to do that because FISA might not agree with them," one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA rejected Qwest's suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from the U.S. attorney general's office. A second person confirmed this version of events."

A few URL's with more info:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060512...kMA9xGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-


Questions and answers about the NSA phone record collection program:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20...1ABPAes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-

Q: Does the NSA's domestic program mean that my calling records have been secretly collected?

A: In all likelihood, yes. The NSA collected the records of billions of domestic calls. Those include calls from home phones and wireless phones.

Q: Is this legal?

A: That will be a matter of debate. In the past, law enforcement officials had to obtain a court warrant before getting calling records. Telecommunications law assesses hefty fines on phone companies that violate customer privacy by divulging such records without warrants. But in discussing the eavesdropping program last December, Bush said he has the authority to order the NSA to get information without court warrants.

Q: How is this different from the other NSA programs?

A: NSA programs have historically focused on international communications. In December, The New York Times disclosed that President Bush had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop - without warrants - on international phone calls to and from the USA. The call-collecting program is focused on domestic calls, those that originate and terminate within U.S. borders.

Q: Who has access to my records?

A: Unclear. The NSA routinely provides its analysis and other cryptological work to the Pentagon and other government agencies.

It took a little longer than expected. But George Orwell's "1984" is here.
 

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jarvisvalmont said:
I'm glad my phone company is Qwest.

Jarvis,

Your lucky. They seem to be the only major phone company that stood up to the feds. Good for them. If they were in my area, I'd switch to them.

As for the others, the lawsuits have already started. I hope the lawyers nail them to the wall.
 

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Me thinks thou does protest to much
something to hide
 

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arv2u2 said:
:twisted:
Me thinks thou does protest to much
something to hide

arv2u2,

Then "me thinks" you should really learn what freedom of privacy means (look it up, its right in the Constitution). Do you really think that the government "needs" all of our phone records for a war on "terrorism"? Do you really think 200 million Americans are involved with terrorists? Well jeez, I guess if thats true, then we really have already lost the war. No, there are other things going on here. Things that Stalin, Hitler, Joseph McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover and Richard Nixon would have been just giddy about.

On a side note, has anyone else noticed the irony of Congress being all upset because the FBI raided some Louisiana congressman's office, but, for the most part, have gone along with the NSA spying on us?
 

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mindido said:
On a side note, has anyone else noticed the irony of Congress being all upset because the FBI raided some Louisiana congressman's office, but, for the most part, have gone along with the NSA spying on us?
I have found this to be quite hilarious and dispicable.

arv2u2 said:
Me thinks thou does protest to much
something to hide
Since when did Bill O'Reilly join exp0sed?
 

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KABOOM said:
I have found this to be quite hilarious...

Kaboom,

I don't think thats the word I would use. I'm having a difficult tiime finding anything funny about this. The implications are far too disturbing (that word I do agree with).
 

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WOW HITLER STALIN BUSH

the liberal mind is a wonderful thing to bad it is so empty
 

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So we're supposed to blindly follow a leader who has exhibited fascist characteristics and leads our country into wars that cannot be won and on false intelligence? And who also feels that he can spy on anyone he wants to just to protect us from the "terrorists"? Whats right about that? And isn't protest what gained this country its freedom and our civil rights which are now infringed upon everyday by this government? So without it, where would we be now?
 

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arv2u2 said:
WOW HITLER STALIN BUSH

the liberal mind is a wonderful thing to bad it is so empty

arv2u2,

Apparently, your parents never taught you an old axiom. Then please allow me. Do remember that, when pointing a finger at someone, there are four fingers pointed back at you.
 

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life lessons from the 1st grade such a well thought out response.
In fact Bush may indeed be a fool but anyone who thinks he is another Hitler is very hard to take seriously
 

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I'm not saying he is the next Hitler. All I said was that he was exhibiting the characteristics of a fascist leader. He is not that, and hopefully we can stop it from ever happening in my lifetime.
 

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arv2u2 said:
life lessons from the 1st grade such a well thought out response.

arv2u2,

Then please remember them.

In fact Bush may indeed be a fool but anyone who thinks he is another Hitler is very hard to take seriously

Maybe you should go back and read what, exactly, I said:

Then "me thinks" you should really learn what freedom of privacy means (look it up, its right in the Constitution). Do you really think that the government "needs" all of our phone records for a war on "terrorism"? Do you really think 200 million Americans are involved with terrorists? Well jeez, I guess if thats true, then we really have already lost the war. No, there are other things going on here. Things that Stalin, Hitler, Joseph McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover and Richard Nixon would have been just giddy about.

I didn't compare Bush to any of them. I said that these clowns would have loved to have had the capability that Bush now has at his fingertips. EVERY one of these guys WOULD have used this data against their political (and other) enemies. There is NO doubt about that.

Bush, and others, now have the capability to find out virtually everything about all of us. Thats probably OK with you, as long as you don't get on someones bad side; but watch out if you do. To civil libertarians, this is extremely ominous and must be stopped.

On a side note, I was listening to something the other day where someone was bemoaning the lack of critical thinking being taught in our schools and universities these days. It does seem to be a problem.
 
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You know, I thought I used to know conservatism, and I respected and agreed with many aspects of it. Fiscal responsibility, small government and keeping the government out of my business are all tenets I agree with. So I want some of the conservatives around here to explain the Bush Administration and the current Republican controlled Congress. Especially the part about keeping these assholes out of my business.

First, there were warrantless wiretaps, then along came warrantless physical searches, then collecting all of our phone records. Now, Bush thinks its just fine to access all of our bank records:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/23/AR2006062301465.html

Over the weekend, the Washington Post (along with the Los Angeles Times and the Wall Street Journal) published this article about the Bush administration making a deal with some Belgian company (the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) that monitors all banking transactions all over the world. They now have access to ALL of our banking records and, again, they can get the data without a warrant. Some bureaucrat, for whatever reason, only has to take a slight interest in any of us, and they can get all of our phone and bank records. No judge involved, whatsoever.

So, conservatives, explain this. Explain to me how this conforms to conservative values. Because I don't see it. This looks to me just like Orwell's 1984. And please explain to me why many (but not all) Republicans are defending this but the Democrats are calling foul. And then explain to me what would have happened if the Clinton administration would have been found to be doing this (and you'd better be damn careful here, because I already know the answer).

Its starting to look to me like conservatism (or at least the form thats being practiced in D.C. nowadays) does equal fascism.

Explain yourselves. If thats even possible.
 

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14 points of Fascism

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
and let's not forget the failed "Bring 'em on!"
New Majority Leader: Iraq War “May Be The Greatest Gift That We Give” Our Grandchildren

Headstones of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are inscribed with the Pentagons war-marketing slogans

White House and the RNC are going to make a habit of using uniformed military personnel as props at Republican political rallies, despite the fact that it is a plain violation of military regulations banning politicization of the armed forces.

September 11 Freedom Walk

"You must glorify war in order to get the public to accept the fact that your going to send their sons and daughters to die."


2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Bush threatens to veto $442b defense bill if Congress investigates detainee abuses.
Guantanamo Judge: “I don’t care about international law. I don’t want to hear the words ‘international law’ again. We are not concerned with international law.”
Rumsfeld to approve new guidelines that will formalize the administration's policy of imprisoning without the protections of the Geneva Conventions and enable the Pentagon to legally hold "ghost detainees,"
US 'preparing to detain terror suspects for life without trial'
U.S. oks evidence gained through torture
July 1, 2003: U.S. Suspends Military Aid to Nearly 50 Countries: because they have supported the International Criminal Court and failed to exempt Americans from possible prosecution.
US has at least 9000 prisoners in secret detention


3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Congressman: Muslims 'enemy amongst us'
SB 24, Ohio law to muzzle "liberals"
World history textbook used by seventh-graders at Scottsdale’s Mohave Middle School was pulled from classrooms mid-semester amid growing right criticism of the book’s unbiased portrayal of Islam
Rallies planned against 'Islamofacism': Event to 'unify all Americans behind common goal'


4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Bush’s Domestic Program Hit List

Bush slashes domestic programs, boosts defense. Arlen Spector calls it "scandalous"

Funding for job training, rural health care, low-income schools and help for people lacking health insurance would face big cuts under a bill passed Friday by the House


Pentagon to spend 75 billion for three new brigades
Three cable channels now feed news, information and entertainment about the armed services into millions of living rooms 24 hours a day, seven days a week: The Military Channel, the Military History Channel and the Pentagon Channel.


5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
It's legal again, to fire gov't workers for being gay
Bush calls for Constitutional ban on same-sex marriages
Bush refuses to sign U.N proposal on women's "sexual" rights
W. David Hager chairman of the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee does not prescribe contraceptives for single women, does not do abortions, will not prescribe RU-486 and will not insert IUDs.
The State Department has awarded an explicitly anti-feminist U.S. group part of a US$10 million grant to train Iraqi women in political participation and democracy.


6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Smoking Gun Memo? Iraq Bombshell Goes Mostly Unreported in US Media
Report shows U.S. government has been engaged in illegal propaganda aimed at its own citizens and the story gets only 41 mentions in the media
Free Press details recent governmental propaganda efforts, from faux-correspondent Jeff Gannon to paid-off pundit Armstrong Williams, and from the demise of FOIA to video news releases passed off as news.
US seizes webservers from independent media sites
Bush's war on information: US editors forbidden to publish certain foreign writers


7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses
Bush Aides ADMIT 'stoking fear' for political gain: Bush adviser said the president hopes to change the dynamics of the race. The strategy is aimed at stoking public fears about terrorism, raising new concerns about Kerry's ability to protect Americans and reinforcing Bush's image as the steady anti-terrorism candidate, aides said.
The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level.

Keith Olbermann: "The Nexus of Politics and Terror."
Cheney warns that if Kerry is elected, the USA will suffer a "devastating attack"
GOP convention in a nutshell

Rove: GOP to Use Terror As Campaign Issue in 2006


8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Jerry Falwell cleared of charges that he broke federal election law by urging followers to vote for Bush
NC congressman proposes law making it ok to preach politics from the pulpit
Texas Governor Mobilizes Evangelicals
Family research council: Justice Sunday
Thou shalt be like Bush: What makes this recently established, right-wing Christian college unique are the increasingly close - critics say alarmingly close - links it has with the Bush administration and the Republican establishment.
Park Service Continues to Push Creationist Theory at Grand Canyon and other nat'l parks


9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
The K Street Project is a project by the Republican party to pressure Washington lobbying firms to hire Republicans in top positions, and to reward loyal GOP lobbyists with access to influential officials. It was launched in 1995, by Republican strategist Grover Norquist and House majority leader Tom DeLay.
American Conservative Magazine: One U.S. contractor received $2 million in a duffel bag... and a U.S. official was given $7 million in cash in the waning days of the CPA and told to spend it “before the Iraqis take over.”
There are 6 Congressional Committees investigating the Oil-for-Food (UN) scandal, yet not a single Republican Committee Chairman will call a hearing to investigate the whereabouts of 9 billion dollars missing in Iraq
Bush money network rooted in Florida, Texas: Since Mr. Bush took office in 2001, the federal government has awarded more than $3 billion in contracts to the President's elite 2004 Texas fund-raisers, their businesses, and lobbying clients


10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
Labor Department warns unions against using their money politically.
President Bush Attacks Organized Labor: Bush attacked organized labor Saturday, issuing orders effectively reducing how much money unions can spend for political activities and opening up government contracts to non-union bidding.
March 2001: President Bush signed his name to four executive orders on organized labor last month, including one that cuts the money unions will have for political campaign spending.
Congress and the Department of Labor are trying to change the rules on overtime pay, eliminating the 40 hour work week, taking eligibility for overtime pay away from millions of workers, and replacing time and a half pay with comp days.


11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Bush's new economic plan cuts funding for arts, education
Artists from all over the world are being refused entry to the US on security grounds.
A group of more than 60 top U.S. scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates and several science advisers to past Republican presidents, on Wednesday accused the Bush administration of manipulating and censoring science for political purposes
Freedom of Repression: New ruling will allow censorship of campus publications


12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
American Gestapo is here: "There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the 'United States Secret Service Uniformed Division.'"
America: secret jails, secret courts, secret arrests, and now secret laws
Snitch-or-Go-to-Jail bill will make pretty much anything short of reporting on everyone you see for doing just about anything a jailable offense. With minimum sentences, up to and including life without parole.
The problem with Gonzales is that he has been deeply involved in developing some of the most sweeping claims of near-dictatorial presidential power in our nation's history, allowing him to imprison and even (at least in theory) torture anyone in the world, at any time
Police officers don't have to give a reason at the time they arrest someone, the U.S. Supreme Court said in a ruling that shields officers from false-arrest lawsuits.


13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Bush Cronyism: Foxes Guarding the henhouse
Making Sense of the Abramoff Scandal
If Bush's pick is confirmed, that will mean the five top appointees at Justice have zero prosecutorial experience among them.
Iran-Contra Felons Get Good Jobs from Bush
Big Iraq Reconstruction Contracts Went To Big Donors
Bush Wars -- Crooks Get Contracts : The main companies that were awarded billions of dollars worth of contracts in Iraq have paid more than $300 million in fines since 2000, to resolve allegations of fraud, bid rigging, delivery of faulty military equipment, and environmental damage.
US Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) lost track of $9 billion
"Contracting in the aftermath of the hurricanes has been marked by waste, corruption and cronyism"


14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Powerful Government Accounting Office report confirms key 2004 stolen election findings
Conyers hearing in which Clinton Curtis testifies that he was hired to create hackable voting machines
The Republican Party has quietly paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to provide private defense lawyers for a former Bush campaign official charged with conspiring to keep Democrats from voting in New Hampshire.
The Conyers Report
No explanation for the machines in Mahoning County that recorded Kerry votes for Bush, the improper purging in Cuyahoga County, the lock down in Warren County, the 99% voter turnout in Miami County, the machine tampering in Hocking County
Less access than Kazakhstan. Fewer fail-safes than Venezuela. Not as simple Republic of Georgia. The 2004 Elections according to international observers.
This picture is what stopped the ballot recounts in Florida shortly after it seemed that legitimate President Gore had a lead. The "citizens" started what was later called "the preppy riot". Screaming, yelling, pounding on the walls, these "outraged citizens" intimidated the polling officials to halt the court mandated recount. A closer look reveals who they really were. They were bussed and flown in at Republican lawmakers expense. Some even flew in on Tom Delay's private plane.



If Mussolini defines fascism as "the merger of corporate and government power" what does that make George Bush?

*Note: I did not type all that, it is mostly a copy and paste job. It's an interesting read, however.


Something that I just found:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060627/ap_on_go_co/bush_signing_statements
How does this guy still get away with all of this?
 

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Ohh boy, first nazism now fascism. I wish I had more time to get into this one.
 
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