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2008 US Presidential Campaign

mindido

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Maybe he can bomb Wisconsin. (Come on you know I'm just kidding!) :skeezy:

Yeah, I think we'd probably be about the last place anyone would bomb. We have one fairly large National Guard training base up north and thats about it for the military (other than your normal National Guard armory that most towns have).

You're right, it's not going to happen. The draft that is. If the Republicans were going to reinstate the draft they would have done it by now.

I agree, but I think the reason they haven't reinstated the draft is entirely political. If they would have, they would have absolutely NO chance of winning this years election and you WOULD see thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of protesters in the streets. Thats apparently the only lesson they learned from Viet Nam.

It's the Democrats who would start the draft and the first visitor that Obama or Clinton would receive would be Charles Rangel. He seems to have backed off a little but in July '07 he wanted to reinstate the draft for racial (class -economic - whatever) balance. Check out his web page at www.rangel.house.gov

I do remember Rangel's proposal. And, if I remember correctly, it was primarily an attempt to bring attention to the disparity (between rich and poor) of those actually serving in the enlisted corps. I don't think he ever actually intended to reinstate the draft.

But the point of our discussion was McCain's assertion that it was OK with him if the war in Iraq lasted 100 years. Well, if you believe what many of the current officer class, and many of the enlisted say, then how long can we stay there without a draft? If McCain is elected, and he wants to maintain all of these 200+ offshore military bases, continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan plus, probably, start a new war with Iran, then he will have little choice but to start a draft. He will have NO choice.

Thats another one of those reasons I think this election is very important. Especially for all you youngsters around here.
 

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I think McCain's plan to set-up army recruiting booths on the border instead of a fence ,so he can get all the illegal-aliens to fight the 100 yr War.
 

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elmer,

Interesting idea I haven't heard of yet. But it would make some sense for the Republicans. They've already loosened enlistment standards so much that some felons and other miscreants can now be used. And they are already using immigrants and have been for awhile. They've been using citizenship as a lure.
 

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I don't have a horse in this race , and I haven't had for sometime now . But yes I believe in ending the Iraq war. I believe in doing away with all tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas . I believe in making the US a productive independent again. Fare trade would be good , if it was fare !
 

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This has been talked about a bit in the media, but does anyone foresee a possible split in the Democratic party? Not so much a full on 1914 Roosevelt-ruins-the-race kind of split, but enough of a disagreement to cause problems and let McCain just run himself in?
 

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Right now maybe a split, but when it comes down to the Democratic National Convention. That's where the super delegates come in. But I do believe that with this and after electing the congress majority, and majority not impeaching Bush . There's going to be alot of Democrats ,thinking that they can't even decided on what to have for lunch. And the Republicans are going to be saying "How can you run a country when you can't decide on anything"
 

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elmer,

I don't have a horse in this race , and I haven't had for sometime now.

I don't know how old you are but, at least in my opinion, young males REALLY NEED to be very aware of whats happening in the political race this year. And the reason is very clear. John McCain has said that he doesn't have a problem with the Iraq war lasting another 100 years. OK, how's that going to work? Given that most all of our current and former generals are saying that the current military is near the point of breaking, that means the only way to fix that is to institute a draft.

McCain will be forced to do that to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (as well as maintain these 200+ foreign military bases). I'm not sure what Hillary will do (but I don't think she'll pull the troops out anytime soon) while Obama will make it a priority to get them out of Iraq. So, draft or no draft? Pretty clear choice to make.

I believe in doing away with all tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas.

That makes complete sense to me. I'm not sure what any of these three would do about that though. Will have to keep an eye out for that.

I believe in making the US a productive independent again. Fare trade would be good , if it was fare !

Agreed 100%! The problem is; Where do we go from here? To me, the future is really pretty clear, IF we make the correct decisions. Clean and renewable energies and the technology needed to develop them are the way we have to go. The days of cheap oil are over, never to be seen again. Solar, wind, photovoltaic, etc, etc, are the areas we need to be researching and converting to. No more reliance on a technology that causes far more problems than it solves.

And "fair" trade would be a much better idea than "free" trade. The US is getting killed today by "free" trade. China is laughing all the way to the bank about our ideas of free trade.

Boom,

This has been talked about a bit in the media, but does anyone foresee a possible split in the Democratic party? Not so much a full on 1914 Roosevelt-ruins-the-race kind of split, but enough of a disagreement to cause problems and let McCain just run himself in?

I don't know but I guess its a possibility. I think it mainly depends on what Hillary and the Clinton's do over the next seven weeks or so. If they decide to go totally negative (which is what I think will happen) then there could be a real problem.

I was basically undecided until the last week of the Wisconsin primary and then Hillary came out with an ad that attacked Obama for something really ludicrous. So I wound up voting for Obama (as did the rest of the State). But she continued on with the negative ads and they apparently worked in Ohio and Texas.

I don't know, time will tell.....
 

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One question I have about this canpaign is ,how do loan your own canpaign 5 million ,and then charge interest on it ? I need to learn this trick!
 

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One question I have about this canpaign is ,how do loan your own canpaign 5 million ,and then charge interest on it ? I need to learn this trick!

I'd like to know how that works also.
 

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Wow.....

Get ready for this...I voted for HillBill in the Texas primary, only to watch her and Hussein Obama continue to go at it.

The war is what it is, we are there and will be there like or not. You would have to be the worlds biggest idiot not to realize the strategic advantage of US forces in the area.

I can continue on and on about the issues and I will one at a time. Later!!!

Vote right Vote McCain (because I cant go left...)
 

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Ok, I must be the worlds biggest idiot, cause I thought we already had forces in the area before we "liberated" Iraq. Like next door in Kuwait ! But that's neither here nor there. When we first "liberated" Iraq , I believed the intelligence . Mostly because they were suppose to be intelligent ! Ok , I was wrong . But then I thought , maybe we'll get a good deal on oil. Fuck! Wrong again. Maybe I am the worlds biggest idiot.
 

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Wow.....

Get ready for this...I voted for HillBill in the Texas primary, only to watch her and Hussein Obama continue to go at it.

The war is what it is, we are there and will be there like or not. You would have to be the worlds biggest idiot not to realize the strategic advantage of US forces in the area.

I can continue on and on about the issues and I will one at a time. Later!!!

Vote right Vote McCain (because I cant go left...)

wow, it scares me how uneducated some people are...
 

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in this thread calling any one an idiot is an insult to all the true idiots.

McCain 2008
 

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Being a Scot/Brit, is it not time the Democrats got their act together and decided early who is going to challange McCain in the Presidential elcetions, or are they going to keep fighting and in the end allow the Republicans 4 more years.

I have another question why does it take so long, can't they just have ne day when all Democrats vote for their choice and get it over with? Reason for the question is I am starting to get bored with this lets campaigning lark and I like to read about American politics.

In Britain, we have about 6 to 8 wks campaigning followed by one day of voting, end of election.
 

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Mindido you are a wise man at least according to your first post. If I were an american citizen I would vote for Ron Paul. That's the only man with balls and integrity. He says the same things now as he did in the 80s. For liberty!

I think we need a guy like him here in Sweden which is turning into mini-Soviet. In the days to come we will have a law coming thru that will give our government the right to bug everything. Internet-traffic, cellphones...you name it. For what reason? Terrorism!!!! Haha humor. And our central bank wants all transactions to be made via credit cards. They even want to take an extra charge for taking out money from automatic teller machines. Now which is the easiest to track? If you pay in cash or credit card? It's freaking insane.
1984 is standing on my doorstep.

And my english sucks so it may look like I'm dumber than I really am. ;)
 

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rich2rob,

Sorry its taken so long to respond. I've just finished up one of my busiest times of the year. Field work is done and reports are written so I have a bit more time.

Being a Scot/Brit, is it not time the Democrats got their act together and decided early who is going to challange McCain in the Presidential elcetions, or are they going to keep fighting and in the end allow the Republicans 4 more years.

I guess this is a bit dated as we should know within a few days what the outcome will be. I'm not sure, but it seems Hillary will bow out gracefully soon. But I could be wrong.

I have another question why does it take so long, can't they just have ne day when all Democrats vote for their choice and get it over with? Reason for the question is I am starting to get bored with this lets campaigning lark and I like to read about American politics.

In Britain, we have about 6 to 8 wks campaigning followed by one day of voting, end of election.

Heh, heh. That makes too much sense to me. But these are politicians, I don't think sensible is in their vocabulary. Although you do realize these are primaries (the pre-election election). But they should be able to cut the time for these in half. But what would all the political talking heads have to do if they did?

oxfile,

Mindido you are a wise man at least according to your first post. If I were an american citizen I would vote for Ron Paul. That's the only man with balls and integrity. He says the same things now as he did in the 80s. For liberty!

Well..... thank you for the compliment. It is too bad that Ron Paul didn't wind up with the nomination. He was clearly the best of the Republican lot (which is probably why he didn't win). It seemed to me he was the ONLY one of the group with a shred of honesty.

I think we need a guy like him here in Sweden which is turning into mini-Soviet. In the days to come we will have a law coming thru that will give our government the right to bug everything. Internet-traffic, cellphones...you name it. For what reason? Terrorism!!!! Haha humor. And our central bank wants all transactions to be made via credit cards. They even want to take an extra charge for taking out money from automatic teller machines. Now which is the easiest to track? If you pay in cash or credit card? It's freaking insane.

Well, I guess the only good thing that can be said about that is that they are at least trying to do it legally. The only advice I can offer you is, if you really feel that strongly, get involved and fight it. Its tough to do, and you'll probably lose, but it sounds like it has to be done.

Here in the States the government is already doing most of that. They're just denying that its being done (even though the evidence is overwhelming of their activities).

The terrorists are winning. Its really sad to say, but they are. Our rights are diminishing rapidly while the real "terrorists" skip merrily on their way. There is an old saying over here from Ben Franklin,

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I don't know that that statement has ever been more true.

1984 is standing on my doorstep.

Its standing at all of our doors. People had better wake up or the entire western world will soon have a very rude awakening.

And my english sucks so it may look like I'm dumber than I really am.

Your writing seems better than many of the native english speakers around here. Not many people seem to care anymore about the written word.
 

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Well, I guess the only good thing that can be said about that is that they are at least trying to do it legally. The only advice I can offer you is, if you really feel that strongly, get involved and fight it. Its tough to do, and you'll probably lose, but it sounds like it has to be done.
Yeah it's being done legally but the newspapers have not mentioned it much. One article in january in one paper and another one a month later in some other paper. I found it out through our biggest forum in Sweden so most of the people knows nothing.

We acctually had some kind of demonstration in Stockholm today, only internet people :p, and a swedish hacker group, which earlier this year hacked or biggest newspaper, came out and gave out some info on one worker at FRA (who are the authority that will bug us) and said further that they will put a 110% effort to fuck with FRA. Pretty funny.

Here in the States the government is already doing most of that. They're just denying that its being done (even though the evidence is overwhelming of their activities).

The terrorists are winning. Its really sad to say, but they are. Our rights are diminishing rapidly while the real "terrorists" skip merrily on their way. There is an old saying over here from Ben Franklin,

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I don't know that that statement has ever been more true.
Yes, I've heard Ron Paul say that a couple of times, your founding fathers were clever men.

And I agree, the terrorists are winning, big time.
 

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Duke,

Thanks for the info. I hate to say it, but there is growing evidence that what the guy is suggesting is possibly true. The end of democracy in the US (and apparently elsehere in the western world)as we know it. I need to compose something a bit more coherent which I'll do soon.

oxfile,

We acctually had some kind of demonstration in Stockholm today, only internet people :p, and a swedish hacker group, which earlier this year hacked or biggest newspaper, came out and gave out some info on one worker at FRA (who are the authority that will bug us) and said further that they will put a 110% effort to fuck with FRA. Pretty funny.

Well, thank god for the internet. It is very apparent in the US that mainstream media cannot be trusted to tell us the truth (for the most part). Virtually all of our media now are owned by big conglomerates which censor their news organizations. It sounds like that may also have happened in Sweden.

Your going to have to wake people up. A very tough thing to do today as most people would rather be watching their tube or porn on the internet.

I don't know..... But I'm beginning to think that the Maya, somehow, may know something. Maybe there is something to this 2012 stuff.
 
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