Canada and government

[cableguy]

the liberal party no longer has the moral authority to lead canada...

i heard this on the news, and confirmed it on the web... cman, iceberg, and any other canadians here, could you provide a civics lesson for those of us not in on how this happens, why this happens from time to time, and what steps will be taken when to install a "new" government??

i am actually curious about this, and hope the departing libs dont spend you into oblivion before they are removed, as they are apparently trying to.. thanks in advance for any info provided...

 

[Duke E. Pyle]

I heard that all forms of conservative media are being stopped in Canada.

 

[OCC-402]

I heard they staged a coop and attacked the liberal parlement members with hockey sticks and beer bottles


....but I only skimmed the artical
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/11/28/noconfidencevote051128.html

 

[Cman]

we don't have a fucking chance with any party.

if the US is an example of what a conservative govt will do to a country, then i don't think they would be a much better choice than the liberals.

otherwise, we know that the NDP and the Bloc dont' count, because they're just pretend parties anyway.

i don't think anyone should win and i also don't think that we should have a FUCKING ELECTION EVERY 6 MONTHS!!!!!!

read more:

http://cman.net/index.php?artc=98
http://cman.net/index.php?artc=208

 

[Cman]

In addition to reading my articles, you can also go here:

http://www.gc.ca/howgoc/howind_e.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/
http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/

I haven't really checked this out yet, but it might be cool

http://www.cbc.ca/empire/

 

[Gibson]

I heard they staged a coop and attacked the liberal parlement members with hockey sticks and beer bottles

*coup

The streets are running brown with maple syrup.

 

[Cman]

*coup

The streets are running brown with maple syrup.

People were just revolting over those stupid new "colored" coffees that Tim Horton's has

Tim's is trying way too hard to be Starbucks lately. Its a serious identity crisis.

 

[Bob_Box]

the liberal party no longer has the moral authority to lead canada...

i heard this on the news, and confirmed it on the web... cman, iceberg, and any other canadians here, could you provide a civics lesson for those of us not in on how this happens, why this happens from time to time, and what steps will be taken when to install a "new" government??

i am actually curious about this, and hope the departing libs dont spend you into oblivion before they are removed, as they are apparently trying to.. thanks in advance for any info provided...

The liberal party only had enough seats to form a minority gov't which is bad because the other parties have enough votes to kill any bill the minority gov't tries to pass. But the liberals got the support of another more left party (NDP) and where able to hold out from the conservatives and the Bloc (seperatist party). But now the liberals pissed off the NDP by not doing what they asked so they said fuck ya liberals and have sided with the opposition to force an election.

 

[Red Horse]

Ok...we have three "major" parties...the Conservatives (likened to halfway between your Democrats and Republicans)...the Liberals (what would be called left wing Democrats down there)...and the New Democratic Party (NDP...which, anywhere that anyone has a proper thinking mind calls Commies )
What happens here is that if one of the above parties makes a majority government (308 ridings, so 155 seats would make a majority), they govern for up to a maximum of five years (an election has to be called before the fifth year is up)...less than 155 seats means a minority government...therefore a whole lot of whoring goes on between the parties to get whatever bills they want passed to prop up the minority government in power...and if one doesn't get what it wants, they can add their votes to the opposition to bring down that minority government...uh oh!...election.

 

[Cman]

Everyone can save their breath and just check out the link I posted. Nobody every clicks links

http://www.gc.ca/howgoc/howind_e.html

 

[Iceberg]

the liberal party no longer has the moral authority to lead canada...

This, I think and I know, is incorrect.

The Liberals have presided over the most fruitful economic period in Canadian history (despite the $100-200 million blunder). The Liberal government has shrunk the debt from $560 billion at its peak to just under $500 billion during their time in office. There has been a surplus for eight consecutive years, which no other G8 nation can claim.

Now, what would the Conservative party do in office? They would rid the surplus by giving it all back in the form of tax breaks (especially to the rich). The debt would rise again, as a result of interest.

What would the NDP do if it were to take control (which is exceedingly unlikely)? They would rid the surplus by spending it all on social programs and special interest (i.e. minority-based) programs and compensation packages. The debt would rise, as well, again as a result of interest.

I heard that all forms of conservative media are being stopped in Canada.

Where the hell did you hear that? FOX News, NewsMax, or the Drudge Report? Rush Limbaugh's rant-a-thon?

This is completely untrue. CanWest Global (which owns the National Post) is quite right-wing, while CTV is a bit right-of-centre.

The only centre-ish national media is the CBC, which can range between left and slightly-right-of-centre.

These people who believe "conservative media are being stopped in Canada" belong in the crowd who still believe Elvis is still alive and Saddam Hussein is still President of Iraq. That is, those who are delusional or borderline psychotic.

 

[Cman]

I agree with Iceberg. The main argument for the Conservatives is that "The liberals have been in power for 12 consecutive years". What the hell kind of argument is that?

If it ain't broke, dont' fix it. At least our gov't is somewhat accountable for their suckiness, unlike some other countries haha

 

[Red Horse]

At least our gov't is somewhat accountable

What??!!? LOL

The Gomery report (for those who don't know, good for you, it's boring ) comes out stating, in no uncertain terms, that the Liberals took payoffs and kickbacks, yet they bob and weave and spin-doctor to make it look like they either didn't do anything wrong or didn't know it was happening...that's accountability?

And Iceberg...Izzy Asper (died a couple of years ago, I know, but I believe his family still owns a large stake) owned Global and was a MAJOR contributor to the Liberal party...how you can think that Global is right wing is beyond me lol.

 

[Cman]

I meant they were accountable in the sense that they were caught and got in trouble, unlike OTHERS who go to war to distract people from catching them lol

 

[Iceberg]

The Gomery report (for those who don't know, good for you, it's boring ) comes out stating, in no uncertain terms, that the Liberals took payoffs and kickbacks, yet they bob and weave and spin-doctor to make it look like they either didn't do anything wrong or didn't know it was happening...that's accountability?

Very few Liberals "took payoffs and kickbacks." Those who did were punished and are no longer with the party. Also, those who committed these offences were hundredths or thousandths of a percent of those in the party, the vast majority of whom are law-abiding and upstanding citizens of this great land.

The vast majority of Liberals are aghast about what was done by the very few. They wished for a straight-up government, but with the current prime minister, this may be possible, given enough seats to clean up Jean Chretien's mess.

And Iceberg...Izzy Asper (died a couple of years ago, I know, but I believe his family still owns a large stake) owned Global and was a MAJOR contributor to the Liberal party...how you can think that Global is right wing is beyond me lol.

Ummm. Do you read the National Post? Do you watch Global News? It is definitely right-wing.

The vast majority of NP columnists are conservative (such as David Frum, Charles Krauthammer, Mark Steyn, etc.), despite the past owner's Liberal affiliations. The sons and/or daughters of the father do not necessarily share his political beliefs.

As well, the NP couldn't survive as a Liberal-supporting newspaper because that spot is generally held by the Globe & Mail. It had to align itself with the Conservative Party.

 

[cableguy]

iceberg, the moral authority quote came not from me, but from someone in your government... it was quoted on a number of what you would call legit news outlets, tv and radio... just to set the record straight...

thanks to everyone who provided info on this.. i genuinely was curious, and cman, some folks do click on links...

 

[Bob_Box]

The Liberal government has shrunk the debt from $560 billion at its peak to just under $500 billion during their time in office. There has been a surplus for eight consecutive years, which no other G8 nation can claim.

So if King Klein ran with the Federal Conservative party you would vote for him since he made Alberta debt free??? Can't wait for my $400 cheque in january.....


All Hail King Ralph

 

[Iceberg]

Bob, that is a preposterous question. Alberta is swimming in oil, and since natural resources are of provincial jurisdiction, nobody could make Canada debt free in as fast a time as Klein did in Alberta.

In fact, only a dunderheaded Premier (the leader of provincial governments, for all you non-Canadians) couldn't have erased Alberta's debt. Even the most extreme socialist (i.e. free-wheeling spender) would have erased the debt at some point in time.

 

[singhr]

Bob, that is a preposterous question. Alberta is swimming in oil, and since natural resources are of provincial jurisdiction, nobody could make Canada debt free in as fast a time as Klein did in Alberta.
In fact, only a dunderheaded Premier (the leader of provincial governments, for all you non-Canadians) couldn't have erased Alberta's debt. Even the most extreme socialist (i.e. free-wheeling spender) would have erased the debt at some point in time.

Thats true in some sense except that Klein made the cuts when everyone said he was crazy. Everyone complained about how his methods were way to cut-throat and harsh. You're right about that fact that anyone would have eventually erased the debt... but probably not nearly as quickly. Klein had the balls to do what no one else would.

Can't wait for my $400 cheque in january.....

Can't wait for my $400 cheque either

 

[Bob_Box]

Can't wait for my $400 cheque either

are you going to do what the ND party suggests and donate it to a charity or have a few beer on Ralph