Wrestling 2005

[nekkid]

Yes the guy known for the spinarooni is a very good wrestler. The rock is known for the People's Elbow, which featured the rock runing off the ropes at full speed stopping all momentum and dropping an elbow. Does that mean the rock sux? Does Mick Foley pulling a sock from his pants mean he is a bad wrestler? NO, they were funny, quirky, parts of their character.

How hard was it to be wcw champ? Wouldn't Goldberg being hit with a cattle prod be an example of how hard it was to win the title? I think the WCW title was the hardest title to gain. They had the infamous glass ceiling. To cut through the politics was near impossible. First of all there was a time when Kevin Nash was booking, so if he didn't like you, you might as well ask for your resignation. Hogan had creative control, so he called the shots in his matches including the outcome. There is a lotthat I am leaving out, but to answer your question IMO it was VERY hard to be wcw champ.

 

[nekkid]

Yes the guy known for the spinarooni is a very good wrestler. The rock is known for the People's Elbow, which featured the rock runing off the ropes at full speed stopping all momentum and dropping an elbow. Does that mean the rock sux? Does Mick Foley pulling a sock from his pants mean he is a bad wrestler? NO, they were funny, quirky, parts of their character.

How hard was it to be wcw champ? Wouldn't Goldberg being hit with a cattle prod be an example of how hard it was to win the title? I think the WCW title was the hardest title to gain. They had the infamous glass ceiling. To cut through the politics was near impossible. First of all there was a time when Kevin Nash was booking, so if he didn't like you, you might as well ask for your resignation. Hogan had creative control, so he called the shots in his matches including the outcome. There is a lotthat I am leaving out, but to answer your question IMO it was VERY hard to be wcw champ.

 

[nekkid]

Yes the guy known for the spinarooni is a very good wrestler. The rock is known for the People's Elbow, which featured the rock runing off the ropes at full speed stopping all momentum and dropping an elbow. Does that mean the rock sux? Does Mick Foley pulling a sock from his pants mean he is a bad wrestler? NO, they were funny, quirky, parts of their character.

How hard was it to be wcw champ? Wouldn't Goldberg being hit with a cattle prod be an example of how hard it was to win the title? I think the WCW title was the hardest title to gain. They had the infamous glass ceiling. To cut through the politics was near impossible. First of all there was a time when Kevin Nash was booking, so if he didn't like you, you might as well ask for your resignation. Hogan had creative control, so he called the shots in his matches including the outcome. There is a lotthat I am leaving out, but to answer your question IMO it was VERY hard to be wcw champ.

 

[nekkid]

Yes the guy known for the spinarooni is a very good wrestler. The rock is known for the People's Elbow, which featured the rock runing off the ropes at full speed stopping all momentum and dropping an elbow. Does that mean the rock sux? Does Mick Foley pulling a sock from his pants mean he is a bad wrestler? NO, they were funny, quirky, parts of their character.

How hard was it to be wcw champ? Wouldn't Goldberg being hit with a cattle prod be an example of how hard it was to win the title? I think the WCW title was the hardest title to gain. They had the infamous glass ceiling. To cut through the politics was near impossible. First of all there was a time when Kevin Nash was booking, so if he didn't like you, you might as well ask for your resignation. Hogan had creative control, so he called the shots in his matches including the outcome. There is a lotthat I am leaving out, but to answer your question IMO it was VERY hard to be wcw champ.

 

[nekkid]

My computer is a mess. Sorry about the multiple posts

 

[phynix]

I couldn't agree more with your commnts Nekkid, when ever I watched WCW I struggled to understand just why some wrestlers would jump frrom WWE to the WCW show when the politics were quite clear even to me as a fan watching at home. These great talents would come to them after being promised the earth and were left to rot. I wonder how things would have been if the WCW creative team had seen the potential of Stunnin' Steve Austin and turning him ito a star like WWE did. I wonder if this is true for the younger guys in TNA as well I do hope its not a case of history repeating.

 

[Dragulf]

Don't get me wrong. I love wrestling and I understand a lot is backstage politics but I have never considered any wrestler with a leg drop finisher (ya hear me Hogan? Your leg drops have Always looked stupid!) needs their head examined. Put some efford into a finisher, not basically falling down with your leg held out. Booker always seems awkward and stiff to me. He was probably a good Burger King employee ...
Just my opinion TNA needs to get Nash and Hall away from them.

 

[phynix]

Yes but wrestling has changed sinse hogan joined I mean the leg drop was hid thing and they made it big and impactful from the selling of those he faced! Dusty Rhodes has the bionic elbow if HHH or Mr Kennedy or who ever won a match with an elbow today the audiance would piss all over the match and their finisher. Wrestling has changed but there will always be the hardcore fans that remember the elbows and the leg drops and the suplexs that started it all are still used today not in the same way but to show that they are still needed and respected.

 

[nekkid]

Ya I don't think many people will tell you that Hogan was a good wrestler. He just made it on charisma and "the look" alone. NOt many guys his size are very technically sound.

I think Booker T's best work was his best-of-seven series against Benoit, the work with Harlem Heat before they broke up, and his matches against Orton.

 

[phynix]

best of seven is still a favourite of mine and will conrinue to be its shame that we may never see these quality matches on DVD.

OK guys matches that will stay with, your favourites or ones that you enjoy because of storylines, characters or match type?

I can remeber staying up to watch HBK vs Angle at Wrestlemania 21 that match had be bouncy around with fake finishes and pure quality wrestling!

 

[DrakeG1]

I guess everyone has figured out by now that Jericho is returning on Monday. The last little teaser included the words "Break The Walls". I don't think it can be more obvious than if they just came right out and said it. Everyone's assumptions about his return had finally been proven correct, good job to all who figured it out so early on and for the non-believers, watch ECW and Smackdown and if (and when) they show the teaser, you will see what I mean.

 

[nekkid]

Thats a tough one phynix. I would probably have to go with Owen vs. Bret at 'mania 10 I think. It doesn't get much better than that. Maybe too many near falls. But definately a 5 star match no question.

Bret vs. Austin 'mania 13 was very good, and a great storyline, it was probably the best way for Steve Austin to lose and still be WAY over.

Iron man match HBK vs. Bret. 60 minutes felt like 10 and the storyline lead up was perfect the viewer really felt they hated each other. (And they very well may have depending on who you believe)

Those three come to mind. I am not even a huge fan of Bret's but his work in the ring was amazing. If only we could see matches 1/2 this good these days.

 

[delboy]

Undertaker Vs foley Hell in a cell:nuts:


also masters has been officially released........about time.

Chris Masters released

November 8, 2007
WWE has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Chris Masters. We wish Chris the best in all his future endeavors.

 

[Dragulf]

My all time favorite match turned into a two parter 1 month apart. Carlos Colon (Carlito's father) VS. Ox Baker. Ox put Carlos in the hospital for a month with his heart punch and later Carlos returned the favor. I remember watching that on TV in Puerto Rico as a kid. I'll never forget the interview with Ox after he almost killed Carlos "I like to hurt people."

Abdullah the Butcher (had a long war with Carlos Colon) with blood streaming down his face screaming like a mad man. He'd 'fork' himself.


Oh and the Hardy's are pretty good.

Edited for consistency. Wikipedia showed me my memories were partly false.

 

[FlipStar]

All time favorite match? Mine would have to be Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs "The Macho Man" Randy Savage at Wrestlemania III. The story, the technical expertise...that match had everything.

2nd fave would have to be Hogan vs Andre, also at the same 'Mania. That whole card just cemented my love for sports entertainment.

Also a big fan of The Rockers, Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannety. Been a big mark for Shawn his entire career, pretty much. When they were going after the tag championships in the AWA, back when it was on ESPN in the afternoons, that was AWESOME.

And just to show how out of it I can be sometimes, why has it taken Jericho so long to come back?

 

[phynix]

Jerico had to go and do his music and acting thing turned out that he's ok at both but he's better at wrestling and from what I understand the money he's geting from WWE is gonna set him up for life!

Wow what an amazing responce from you all to such a simple question but with such a difficult answer! All of those matches have high quality moments that have made wrestling but can anyone think of a high quality wrestling moment from the last 12-18 months?

 

[nekkid]

Now THAT is a tough question. Just moments? Matches?

Here are some matches:

Cena vs. HBK on Raw following 'mania 23

Any match with Kandrick and (can't remember his partners name) while on smackdown.

Morrison vs. Punk on ecw

Moments. Good and bad?

Obvioulsy Benoit

Anything with Vince has been terrible the last year and a half (Mcmahonism, Vince dying)

New ECW very very bad (I think I'll stick to the good ones, it a much tougher list to make)

DX re-uniting was alright

Angle going to TNA was the biggest holy shit moment for me since the MNW's

RVD beating Cena on one night stand ruled

One night stand 1-2 ruled

Another good suprise was JBL announcing skills. I think it would be interesting if they paired hime up with Joey Styles or JR for a while just for a different dynamic.

But just not enough moments to captivate the average viewer, which I think was your point.

 

[Dragulf]

JBL is very good as a color commentator. I was surprised also.

 

[nekkid]

Ya I always liked the JBL character (Not so much Bradshaw) I just didn't like him in the ring. I can't believ he is the longest reigning smackdown champion. BUt to me winning the smackdown championship is like winning the NIT tournament in college basketball, the best of the rest. I mean how many MAJOR stars have been champ on smackdown other than the undertaker. It seems like as soon a someone gets over on smackdown they go to raw (cena, Kennedy, london and Kendrick, and lashley from ecw). So I guess JBL being champ for that long isn't all that suprisisng.

So JBL on color is great as long as we don't have to see him wrestle.

So new topic. What do you guys think of the brand extention? Should they keep it? Is it needed? Do you like it?

 

[Stingray]

If the brand extension were handled a little more smoothly, it'd be great. As things are now, I think it's worthwhile & -- when they have a fully healthy roster -- necessary to utilize the girth of personalities in the company. It needs a considerable overhaul, though. Given the opportunity, here's what I'd do:

--For starters, unify the WWE & World Titles. The idea behind having 2 was mainly to make it easier on the then-rookie champion, Brock Lesnar. As all the folk in the title picture are well-weathered these days, maintaining the split only creates in-company comparison as to which champion is most deserving/which title is better. Unify the belts and there's no comparison. The best man for the job is definitively the best man for the job. It also promotes the occassional brand switch as the champion would alternate defenses, with the losing champion going to the winner's show to fill the hole.

--What about the ECW title? Leave it. I said it before, I'll say it again: Utilize ECW as a seperate entity. Showcase them on the big 4 PPVs, and one of their own, but beyond that, pretend they don't exist. ECW is a monster unto itself if left to its own devices, but interaction with the WWE demolishes the brand's uniqueness. Let ECW work as it was originally intended, as a seperate entity with a hardcore base, shoot interviews, and relying on match strength rather than storyline, and you've got a winning product.

--Draft the cruisers to one show & the in-wring competitive divas to another. Having a bunch of in-ring capable divas on Smackdown is idiotic. Eye candy's nice, but if they're competing, let them have a go at the women's title. That, or let those two specialty champions switch-hit, just like the World Heavyweight Champion.

--While we're at it, unify the Tag Belts and let them switch hit as well. They're just isn't enough heft to the tag ranks to justify 2 titles.

--The IC & US titles should remain where they are. This gives a show-centric title for everyone to fight for, while still leaving higher room for potential world title contenders to work.

--So far as individual competitors that don't fit in the women's or cruiser divisions, full-on draft. Except for ECW originals. Those who based their career (at least initially) in ECW, and haven't accomplished a major title outside it, should go back to ECW. This applies, for instance, to Super Crazy and a handful of others that have since been let go. (Al Snow, Sandman, etc) Those that don't exactly fit the ECW mold should leave there too. For example...Boogeyman fits, in his own weird way, but the Miz decidedly does not. Raw & Smackdown should have a full, even draft, though. Put both shows on a level, and leave them that way. The switch hit title changes will continually breath new life into the rosters, and the ECW faithful will have their monster back as well. The morale on the roster goes up because everyone's getting their opportunity to do something different, and everyone wins.