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Wrestling 2005

Possible OVW Spoiler I don't know if the show is syndicated or just goes straight to VHS/DVD at the end of the month.



Paul Heyman is still the psychotic genius, read this. Its the a very interesting angle shot for an OVW taping. It's a hell of a lot more interesting than whats going on in the WWE. I can't wait til september so I can buy the tapes and see it for myself.

OVW
The Johnny Jeter heel turn was in full effect at the OVW TV Tapings in Louisville as Paul Heyman shot his first hardcore angle Wednesday Night. It was quite probably the most realistic angle ever shot in OVW, and I have my reasons to believe something actually may have gone a little awry in the angle itself.

The show opened up with Aaron "The Idol" Stevens coming out to the ring with Beth Phoenix and a new valet named Shelly, who I recognize from some websites as a dark haired vampire looking valet from Los Angeles. Stevens defeated Robbie Dawber.

Maria interviewed Brent Albright, who was backstage, in full gear, positioned to fight, staring at a door. Albright said, "When Johnny Jeter walks through the door tonight, we're going to have a conversation face to face. And then I'm going to find Ken Anderson and Daniel Puder." Great promo.

After a commercial break. Ken Anderson and Daniel Puder came out and Anderson said Albright was a lunatic, screaming and yelling (even though Albright was calm, cool, and collected). Anderson said they're leaving, but Puder wanted to stay and fight Albright. Anderson would have nothing of it, and forced Puder to leave with him. As they were departing the back door, they ran into Danny Inferno, and an argument broke out. Inferno went to the ring, and taped up his hand. Anderson and Puder came back in, and Anderson did his great routine of introducing everyone. He made this a "striker vs wrestler" match, and Puder beat Inferno with the Key Lock in a stiff looking match. Anderson announced Puder as the winner, and Albright hit the ring. Anderson tried to pull out Puder, but Puder squared off with Albright, who took Puder down. Anderson pulled Puder out of the ring.

Then we see Johnny Jeter backstage, he came into the building when Albright was in the ring. Maria warned him that Albright was looking for him, when Albright entered the room and quietly asked Maria to excuse them for a moment. Albright did a great promo here, right up in Jeter's face, soft spoken, telling him "no one will hurt you tonight because I'm protecting you until I win back my title in the ring tonight." At this point, Matt Cappotelli hobbles in the door, and throws his crutches at Jeter, screaming at Jeter. Albright stops Capotelli and carries him, kicking and screaming, out of the dressing room. Great angle.

In the next match, Nick Nemeth and Chris Cage beat OVW TV Champion Ken Doane and Bobby Lashley. This was a great match. Anytime Lashley was in, he just demolished the opposition. Doane hit the RKO on Nemeth, but Nemeth kicked out. Lashley delivered more punishment. Doane tagged in, tried to pick up Nemeth, but Nemeth hit a small package for the huge pin. The place really popped. Very vocal crowd tonight, most vocal in a long long time in OVW. After the match, Doane just sat in the ring in disbelief and he and Lashley, who was on the apron, just stared at each other. Everyone understood it, and it was very cool to see.

Then, Johnny Jeter came out and cut a great heel promo. I thought his promo last week was lacking, but this one rocked. A really good heel promo and the same people who were screaming for him at the beginning were really booing him at the end. Jeter then defended the OVW Title in a 15 minute match against Brent Albright. Matt Cappotelli came out and sat ringside. Albright locked in the crowbar, but Jeter was in the ropes. Albright had to break. Jeter rolled out of the ring and superkicked the injured Cappotelli. Jeter took the chair and creamed Albright with it. The referee called for the bell.

I should point out that the referee, Chris Kay, who is also a WWE referee, threw up in the ring about three times in 15 seconds right before the crowbar, and it was disgusting.

And even though that happened, and it stunk in the hot Davis Arena, everyone stayed (which is unusual) because they were into the match.

Jeter turned around and hit Capotelli in the head with the chair and then went berserk with it.

This is where I'm not sure what happened. Al Snow jumped out of his chair in a panic and grabbed Jeter. It looked like they were legit fighting. The dressing room cleared, with some running to Cappotelli and some running to Jeter. I could see Alexis Laree really crying when she got to Cappotelli. There was blood everywhere. Not just OVW Trainer Eric Langly, but two medics arrived within minutes and you could see the concern on people's faces. Jeter was rushed out of there, and two refs got Albright out quietly. They tended to Cappotelli for about 10 minutes, and you could see Dean Hill was clearly shaken up.

They did something for tv, which I could see on the OVWTron, with Dean Hill, who had Cappotelli's blood on his face, hands, and shirt. Dean was clearly shaken badly.

When they finally got Capotelli on the gurney, he was wheeled out into the parking lot and taken to an emergency vehicle in the back of the arena. There were security guards not allowing anyone in that section of the parking lot, which was a first. So that's either because it was a well done angle, or because Cappotelli got hurt legit again. It was very intense either way.

They announced there was no special added (dark) match after the tapings tonight, which was also strange, because no matter what, there always is. There were two dark matches earlier in the evening, one featuring The Tolands with Jillian Hall, who wore a big ugly bandage where the mole should be, and The Tolands promised to settle the issue as to who she would publicize with MNM this Friday at Six Flags.

I don't know how much of the Cappotelli angle was an angle and how much of it was the result of a chairshot gone wrong, but this was one of the most effective angles I've ever seen live and next week's OVW TV Tapings should be very interesting. Say what you want about Paul Heyman, he has OVW buzzing right now.
 
Heyman IS a psychotic genius!!! His booking in OVW may pave the way for his
eventual return to the WWE creative team. (Unless Steph hates him too much!!)

-C
 
Hogan vs, HBK

Who are you guys rooting for? HBK or Hogan?

I want HBK personally but I dont think it will happen

Who else would you like to see hogan face before he is in a wheelchair (and will probably still wrestle)? I would love to see hogan vs. Austin, cena, angle, and bret hart if it has not already happened and if hart would go one more match
 
I want to see Hogan face either one more time with the Undertaker, John Cena, Steve Austin, Triple H, Randy Orton, Or Batista, And Yeah I Would Like To See Hogan Face Bret Hart...That Would Be An Exciting Match =) Or One More Match With "The Rock" That Would Be Good Too...

Also I Guess I'll Root For The Winner...Possibly It Might Be Hogan In The End...
 
Considering that HBK is gonna carry Hogan at Summerslam- i don't wanna see Hogan
against ANYONE really. What would be the point???

Oh, yeah- i'll be cheering on HBK but he's likely to put over Hogan just out of respect.
(Performance-wise Michaels will be on top of his game.)

-C
 
i can't see anyway that hogan would let hbk win, even though is by far the better wrestler, and always has been.

like michael said hogan's 'made a career out of show'
 
Hogan put over the Rock though at Wrestlemania... I guess that situation is different though, Hogan did BEGIN the match as a heel and the good guy usually wins at 'mania.

Ya know you might see HBK win, and then there might be a rematch later on. Who knows.

I would like to see Hogan vs. Undertaker again, Inner Killer. Maybe at Wrestlemania and have 'taker's win streak on the line.
 
Triple H was on the season finale of MTV's 'Punk'd' last night.

Anyone catch it??

-C
 
[QUOTE=Chuck67]Triple H was on the season finale of MTV's 'Punk'd' last night.

Chuck67 said:
Triple H was on the season finale of MTV's 'Punk'd' last night.

Anyone catch it??

-C


Ya i saw it .. it was pretty funny. I thought one of Ashton Kutcher's crew might taste some pedigree. :lol:
 
Hogan will win when HBK gets screwed over by Bret Hart in some way... They'd only have to play his theme song or something for the crowd to go nuts and HBK lose his focus and Hogan winning..
 
You think Bret hart is coming back!?!? Even just for a run-in? That is a pretty far-out claim. I know he took a picture with Vince recntly at Titan Towers but c'mon. I hope you are right, that would be realy cool. There are three more dream matches that I still want to see from WWE:

Hogan Vs. Austin... Love to see this maybe both be good guys.. I don't know

HBK vs. Austin 2... Wrestlemania 14 rematch

HBK vs. Bret Hart... Can you imagine that?? Have one match in Montreal or Calgary with those lunatic fans (lunatic in a good way) and another in San Antonio! Maybe a tie breaker at Wrestlemania? And have these matches with a few months of intense build-up and full of shoot interviews. I think it would be pretty incredible. Maybe a lot of the younger/newer fans wouldn't get it but who cares?
 
I would just love to see Hogan hang up his boots for good. His time has come and gone many years ago.
 
I don't get on this thread.The hate for Hogan.He is what he is.The man that maked wrestling.The WWE needs Hogan and HBK.The new stars aren't getting ratings.Cena is poplar but he can't carry the show.The main event at Summer Slam is Hogan and HBK.Not the other matchs.I think it's more about the state that wrestling is in then anything else.
 
Whoa- let's not say WWE NEEDS Hogan or HBK. That's just crazy talk!!
Hogan's done and there's just no excuse for him wrestling these days!!

The WWE creative team has done little to build new stars or bring up
solid workers to the level of main event AND stand behind them.
Guys like Eddie Guerrero, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit, and Rob Van Dam
are capable of carrying a show but need the type of backing that's given
to Hogan and Michaels. These older superstars aren't gonna be around
forever and they should groom the younger potiential stars to main event
strong for the future. Look at how they dropped the ball with Matt Hardy.
Chris Jericho has been a strong act for a while but only now is he getting
attention again.

Trust me, if WWE wanted the new guys to get over with the audience they
could do it. They just need a good creative team like when Austin, Rock
and Foley were around.

-C
 
**Interrupting the thread**

The winner of the 2005 WWE Diva Search:

Now... back to our regularly scheduled chit-chat...

-C
 
Hey let's not forget!!! Hogan did not make wrestling, HBK didn't either nor any of the other superstars... Bottom line it's the FANS that made wrestling... If the fans didn't chant or crave a wrestler its a sure bet that Vinnie Mac wouldn't bother bringing him back...

I don't think Bret Hart is able to wrestle anymore because of his concussion issues but he may be able to do some kind of screw job on HBK i'm sure..
 
Gimme a break.Can no one on this thread give Hogan credit for anything.Hogan maked wrestling mainstream.I must have been the only person on this thread that was a wrestling fan before Hogan.Before Hogan if you said I a wrestling fan.People would think that was dumb and would said it's fake.Now it's mainstream that's because of Hogan.Stone Cold, Cena,HBK,the Rock and every HHH with never be Hulk Hogan.Hogan a 80's icon.He still the biggest thing in wrestling.Look at the fan when he walks out.Hogan may not be the best wrestler but he is the biggest star in wrestling history.No matter what anybody on this thread thinks.Hogan and Andre the Giant had a match on NBC in prime time,SI cover,hit TV show and on alot of mainstream media shows recently.Nobody in wrestling can come close to this.Bret Hart is going to or did have a tag team match this summer.It was with Border City wrestling so he could do a run in.
 
Yeah when people say Hogan made wrestling it's really too broad. Did he help bring it mainstream? Absolutely. Did he revolutionize mat wrestling? no. Hogan can't wrestle for shit.

I agree the fans made wrestling Ultimately, however the fans wouldn't have been interested if Vince Mcmahon didn't give Hulk his gimmick and get the TV deal, and if Hulk didn't bleed charisma and have the "look".

He made people want to cheer for him by his promos. He was a role model for kids "prayers and vitamins". If you think about it Hogan's matches now are just as memorable as they were 20 years ago. He does the same moves and moves at the same slow pace as always. I will rephrase what I said 2 sentances ago His matches are just as horrible now as they were 20 years ago. I believe that is the reason why he has had the longevity that he has had because he doesn't do shit in the ring...

Rey Mysterio
RVD
MIck Foley
AJ styles
HBK

Wrestlers like that will never be able to have longevity because of the risks they take. (Terry Funk is the exception here)

My point is is that Hogan took wrestling to new heights because he made it more than just the match itself, he took his character and made it just as important or more important than his matches.

However, I don't think that Hulk should hang up the thights just yet. Think of how memorable his match with the rock was. The crowd was going NUTS for Hogan. I think he still has a lot of magic left in the tank for maybe 5-7 more "dream" matches.
 
"On July 22, Border City Wrestling delivered the in-ring reunion of The
Original Hart Foundation including a promo by Bret "Hitman" Hart himself.
Bret has stated himself that he cannot wrestle due to his stroke."

As for Hogan, many think he was responsible for getting wrestling mainsream
but really he must share credit with Vince McMahon. Vince's vision was to be
mainstream and if he didn't get there with Hogan it would've been some other
guy. Piper, Andre, Slaughter, Savage- anyone could have gotten that spot.
Luckily, Hogan gets bragging rights. Still, he's done enough. His matches don't
work anymore because of his limitions in the ring. He's an 80's act that should
be used once in a blue but not constantly and Hogan even knows this.

Lastly, Austin and Rock have certainly had the same(or more) success as Hogan.
They are/were household names- they just didn't stick around as long as Hogan
has, which might be a good thing!!

-C
 
I'm going to have to disagree Chuck. The guys that you named definately could not do what Hogan did...Piper, Andre, Slaughter, Savage, they all had multiple shots at carrying the ball. While those are good wrestlers & personalities, they didn't match Hogan. I don't think anyone in the 80's could do what Hogan did for mainstream wrestling.

I understand th point that you are trying to make that if it wasn't Hogan it would've been someone else. But NO ONE else DID it for years. If there wasn't a Babe Ruth would baseball be the national past time or would someone have just picked up the slack.

Sure, Babe Ruth was an incredible baseball player but he had the look, image, and personality that everybody loved and still loves today. He ate hot dogs during games, he was fat but could still steal bases. ect. You really can't speculate and say well... if he didn't do it someone would have.

Loook at Larry Bird vs. Magic. To players forever linked with just about equal talent. Their rivalry brought basketball to new heights. Bird was a laid back hick from French Lick Ind. and Magic was a "showtime" guard that loved the spotlight and became the face of the NBA for years. My point is, is that guys like piper, Andre, savage were great in their own respects (their roles) they just couldn't do what Hogan did. Just like how Bird couldn't be the face of the NBA like Magic was, its definately not that Bird wasn't as good, he just wasn't a flashy type of guy. Thus the NBA wouldn't have been where it is today without Magic, just liek wrestling with Hogan.

In regards to the rock and scsa, they were great, two of the best, they were greatlyresponsible for the 2nd golden age of wrestling. Don't forget though who was a major contributer/equally responsible a few channels over with the NWO...

The rock and stone cold equal success to hogan as household names?? As far as a "wrestling" household name in my opinion they don't touch Hogan. Even in Austin and the rock's pinacle Hogan was on the other channel drawing HUGE ratings and for a long time (83 weeks) OUTdrawing austin and the rock . The rock and scsa were definately huge ratings draws to their credit but Hogan was doing virtually the same thing in his late 40's and early 50's!! You can say that he stuck around too long all you want but when draw 6.5's in quarter hour ratings he can wrestle until the end of time. I also honestly believe that the rock or scsa would never have sold out the Pontiac Silverdome like Hogan did at Wrestlemania 3. 94,000 people saw that match. Sure that had a lot to do with great booking and Andre as well but Hogan was the star of the show.
 
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