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War In Iraq/Terrorists
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"A report by a voting rights group regarding allegations of voter fraud, intimidation and suppression during the 2004 presidential election has found that “paid Democrat operatives were far more involved in voter intimidation and suppression activities than were their Republican counterparts during the 2004 presidential election.”
The report by the American Center for Voting Rights Legislative Fund found that thousands “were disenfranchised by illegal votes cast and a coordinated effort by members of certain ‘nonpartisan’ organizations to rig the election system through voter registration fraud in more than a dozen states.
For example, the report noted, paid Democrat operatives were charged with slashing tires on Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee, and an Ohio court order stopped Democrat operatives from calling voters and telling them the incorrect date for election and polling place information."
The report by the American Center for Voting Rights Legislative Fund found that thousands “were disenfranchised by illegal votes cast and a coordinated effort by members of certain ‘nonpartisan’ organizations to rig the election system through voter registration fraud in more than a dozen states.
For example, the report noted, paid Democrat operatives were charged with slashing tires on Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee, and an Ohio court order stopped Democrat operatives from calling voters and telling them the incorrect date for election and polling place information."
Tex,
Interesting "non partisan" group you've chosen there:
http://www.bradblog.com/ACVR.htm
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001279.htm
http://www.acepilots.com/mt/2005/08/05/american-center-for-voting-rights-and-powerline/
And they ID Milwaukee as the 2nd most corrupt voting place in the country? Pleeeaaassseee! Chicago (90 miles to the south) has always been noted for voter irregularities and they don't even make the top 5!
Try again Tex!
Interesting "non partisan" group you've chosen there:
http://www.bradblog.com/ACVR.htm
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001279.htm
http://www.acepilots.com/mt/2005/08/05/american-center-for-voting-rights-and-powerline/
And they ID Milwaukee as the 2nd most corrupt voting place in the country? Pleeeaaassseee! Chicago (90 miles to the south) has always been noted for voter irregularities and they don't even make the top 5!
Try again Tex!
Texan said:
Ummm, no. Look at this:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
Texan said:
That's nothing compared to the disqualificaiton of 30,000 African-Americans in Florida in 2000 from voting solely because they were suspicious and their names were similar to those who were ex-cons.
Also, the company in charge of the electronic voting devices, a supporter of the RNC, I should add, disqualified random blacks from voting because they are overwhelmingly Democrat supporters.
Watch Robert Greenwald's documentary "Unprecedented" to find out more.
http://www.unprecedented.org/
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Speaking of unprecedented, why not look into why your party is loosing members instead of elections.
Jeez,
Another republican making comparisons between Iraq and Viet Nam:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166340,00.html
I thought only the lefties were supposed to be doing this!
Another republican making comparisons between Iraq and Viet Nam:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166340,00.html
I thought only the lefties were supposed to be doing this!
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mindido said:
A leading Republican senator and prospective presidential candidate...sums it up right there. Its what they call "gearing up"
I had an interesting thought last night.
Imagine your Osama Bin Laden sitting around your cave watching what is happening in N.O. You've never thought about collapsing a dike before, but this looks promising. File this away until the present dikes are fixed and N.O. is somewhat restored and then send in a team of terrorists to blow them up again.
We'd better think long and hard about how much of N.O. is rebuilt.
Imagine your Osama Bin Laden sitting around your cave watching what is happening in N.O. You've never thought about collapsing a dike before, but this looks promising. File this away until the present dikes are fixed and N.O. is somewhat restored and then send in a team of terrorists to blow them up again.
We'd better think long and hard about how much of N.O. is rebuilt.
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If Bush didn't care, why in the world would Bin Laden?
cable,
Dams have been a know target for years. But dikes? If they weren't on Bin Ladens radar screen before, they certainly are now.
Duke,
The only reason Bin Laden cares is that they now make a very easy target with a major payoff for him. Think a second. Lets say that we rebuild those dikes to possibly withstand a Cat 5 (and I'm not even sure that is possible) in 10 to 15 years (it will take at least that long). Things go back to normal in N.O. and Bin Laden sends in a suicide team. They hijack a couple of semi's full of gas, park them next to a levee, and poof! We're right back to where we are now (except that we spent at least $400 billion to get N.O. back to what it was).
Dams have been a know target for years. But dikes? If they weren't on Bin Ladens radar screen before, they certainly are now.
Duke,
The only reason Bin Laden cares is that they now make a very easy target with a major payoff for him. Think a second. Lets say that we rebuild those dikes to possibly withstand a Cat 5 (and I'm not even sure that is possible) in 10 to 15 years (it will take at least that long). Things go back to normal in N.O. and Bin Laden sends in a suicide team. They hijack a couple of semi's full of gas, park them next to a levee, and poof! We're right back to where we are now (except that we spent at least $400 billion to get N.O. back to what it was).
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BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) - An Iraqi judge has issued arrest warrants for two British soldiers freed after a British raid in Basra, an Iraqi lawyer said on Saturday, and thousands rallied in the southern city in support of a new constitution.
Judge Raghib Hassan issued the warrants on Thursday, accusing the men of killing an Iraqi policeman and wounding another, carrying unlicensed weapons and holding false identification, Kassim al-Sabti, the head of the lawyers' syndicate in Basra told Reuters.
Defence Secretary John Reid said the Ministry of Defence had not received any arrest warrant for British soldiers in Iraq, adding that in any case the warrants would have no legal basis.
"Iraqi law is very clear. British personnel are immune from Iraqi legal process. They remain subject to British law," he said in a statement.
The whereabouts of the two soldiers was not clear.
British forces mounted a bid to free the two soldiers on Monday, but were initially repelled as a crowd of angry Iraqis petrol-bombed an armoured vehicle.
Later British forces returned and armoured vehicles broke down the walls of the jail. The two were freed from a private house nearby, where they were believed to have been held by a local militia.
Basra authorities said British troops killed two Iraqi police during the raid.
Monday's flare-up has harmed the relationship British forces were able to build with local Iraqis in and around Basra, a relatively stable city compared with other parts of Iraq.
Basra's governing council has suspended all cooperation with the British until they apologise, guarantee that similar actions do not recur and provide compensation for damage inflicted.
Two investigations into the events leading up to the rescue are under way by Iraqi authorities and the British military.
Iraqi police said U.S. troops killed a family of four in Kerbala, south of Baghdad, on Saturday, reflecting military nerves on edge across the country.
Police said the family's passenger car apparently got too close to a U.S. convoy, which opened fire, killing a father and mother and their 13-year-old son and nine-year-old daughter.
RALLY FOR CONSTITUTION
Basra is the largest city in majority-Shi'ite southern Iraq, and thousands of citizens rallied on Saturday in support of a proposed new Iraqi constitution which many Shi'ites hope will boost their status in the fragmented country.
The rally followed calls last week by Iraq's most senior Shi'ite cleric, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, to vote in favour of the charter, which will be put to a referendum on Oct 15.
Shi'ites were suppressed under Saddam Hussein, who banned major religious ceremonies at the holy cities of Najaf and Kerbala and crushed a Shi'ite revolt in 1991. Such ceremonies have drawn crowds of a million or more since he was ousted.
Iraq's U.S.-backed government is dominated by southern Shi'ites and Kurds from the north -- to the dismay of the Sunni Arabs, who make up just 20 percent of the population but have dominated Iraq for decades.
Their influence has all but disappeared since Saddam fell. Many Sunnis fear if the constitution is approved at the referendum, it will formalise their reduced role by giving Shi'ites broad autonomy in line with that already enjoyed by Kurds -- including control over oil revenues.
The government and its U.S. military backers face a Sunni insurgency across the country, in which daily bombings and shootings kill police, soldiers and civilians.
On Saturday morning, a suicide car bomb exploded near an Iraqi army checkpoint in Baghdad, killing two Iraqi soldiers and wounding five other people, police said.
The attack, near a restaurant in the capital's Karrada district, destroyed several cars and sent up a plume of smoke.
Three soldiers and two civilians were wounded, police said. Iraqi police and the U.S. military sealed off the area.
Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack, saying 11 people had died in the blast.
"One of your dear brothers ... today blew himself up in a car near a group of infidels from the army, near Karrada in Baghdad, which destroyed two cars, and killed more than 11 infidels."
Separately, a U.S. soldier was killed by a roadside bomb southeast of Baghdad, the U.S. military said on Saturday.
The death raises to 1,911 the number of U.S. troops to have died in Iraq since the start of the war.
(Additional reporting by Aseel Kami in Baghdad and Jeremy Lovell in London)
Pull the hell out and let them kill themselves, or pull the hell out and nuke the middle east. Stupid fuckin morons, police we can't trust, people who don't know what they want, and judges talking shit. What a fuckin cess-pit! Why did we get involved again?
Judge Raghib Hassan issued the warrants on Thursday, accusing the men of killing an Iraqi policeman and wounding another, carrying unlicensed weapons and holding false identification, Kassim al-Sabti, the head of the lawyers' syndicate in Basra told Reuters.
Defence Secretary John Reid said the Ministry of Defence had not received any arrest warrant for British soldiers in Iraq, adding that in any case the warrants would have no legal basis.
"Iraqi law is very clear. British personnel are immune from Iraqi legal process. They remain subject to British law," he said in a statement.
The whereabouts of the two soldiers was not clear.
British forces mounted a bid to free the two soldiers on Monday, but were initially repelled as a crowd of angry Iraqis petrol-bombed an armoured vehicle.
Later British forces returned and armoured vehicles broke down the walls of the jail. The two were freed from a private house nearby, where they were believed to have been held by a local militia.
Basra authorities said British troops killed two Iraqi police during the raid.
Monday's flare-up has harmed the relationship British forces were able to build with local Iraqis in and around Basra, a relatively stable city compared with other parts of Iraq.
Basra's governing council has suspended all cooperation with the British until they apologise, guarantee that similar actions do not recur and provide compensation for damage inflicted.
Two investigations into the events leading up to the rescue are under way by Iraqi authorities and the British military.
Iraqi police said U.S. troops killed a family of four in Kerbala, south of Baghdad, on Saturday, reflecting military nerves on edge across the country.
Police said the family's passenger car apparently got too close to a U.S. convoy, which opened fire, killing a father and mother and their 13-year-old son and nine-year-old daughter.
RALLY FOR CONSTITUTION
Basra is the largest city in majority-Shi'ite southern Iraq, and thousands of citizens rallied on Saturday in support of a proposed new Iraqi constitution which many Shi'ites hope will boost their status in the fragmented country.
The rally followed calls last week by Iraq's most senior Shi'ite cleric, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, to vote in favour of the charter, which will be put to a referendum on Oct 15.
Shi'ites were suppressed under Saddam Hussein, who banned major religious ceremonies at the holy cities of Najaf and Kerbala and crushed a Shi'ite revolt in 1991. Such ceremonies have drawn crowds of a million or more since he was ousted.
Iraq's U.S.-backed government is dominated by southern Shi'ites and Kurds from the north -- to the dismay of the Sunni Arabs, who make up just 20 percent of the population but have dominated Iraq for decades.
Their influence has all but disappeared since Saddam fell. Many Sunnis fear if the constitution is approved at the referendum, it will formalise their reduced role by giving Shi'ites broad autonomy in line with that already enjoyed by Kurds -- including control over oil revenues.
The government and its U.S. military backers face a Sunni insurgency across the country, in which daily bombings and shootings kill police, soldiers and civilians.
On Saturday morning, a suicide car bomb exploded near an Iraqi army checkpoint in Baghdad, killing two Iraqi soldiers and wounding five other people, police said.
The attack, near a restaurant in the capital's Karrada district, destroyed several cars and sent up a plume of smoke.
Three soldiers and two civilians were wounded, police said. Iraqi police and the U.S. military sealed off the area.
Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack, saying 11 people had died in the blast.
"One of your dear brothers ... today blew himself up in a car near a group of infidels from the army, near Karrada in Baghdad, which destroyed two cars, and killed more than 11 infidels."
Separately, a U.S. soldier was killed by a roadside bomb southeast of Baghdad, the U.S. military said on Saturday.
The death raises to 1,911 the number of U.S. troops to have died in Iraq since the start of the war.
(Additional reporting by Aseel Kami in Baghdad and Jeremy Lovell in London)
Pull the hell out and let them kill themselves, or pull the hell out and nuke the middle east. Stupid fuckin morons, police we can't trust, people who don't know what they want, and judges talking shit. What a fuckin cess-pit! Why did we get involved again?
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Ran across an interesting website that is an analysis of what happened at Kent State back in 1970. For you younger guys that may not have heard of what happened at Kent State, briefly, four students were shot by National Guardsmen while protesting the Viet Nam war. As I was reading through the site, I was amused to remember some of the correlations between Viet Nam and Iraq. Just one quote:
"In his 1968 Presidential acceptance speech, Richard M. Nixon spoke of the widespread division existent within the American society, and pledged his support in the attempt to unify the country.(4) The president-elect later chose for his administration's theme the message that he had noticed on a sign during the campaign-"Bring Us Together."(5) Unfortunately, unity was to be sought only as the United States experienced further aggravation of the divisions plaguing the country."
Sound familiar? There are many more.
http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml
"In his 1968 Presidential acceptance speech, Richard M. Nixon spoke of the widespread division existent within the American society, and pledged his support in the attempt to unify the country.(4) The president-elect later chose for his administration's theme the message that he had noticed on a sign during the campaign-"Bring Us Together."(5) Unfortunately, unity was to be sought only as the United States experienced further aggravation of the divisions plaguing the country."
Sound familiar? There are many more.
http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml
stu2906
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Just came upon this, i couldn't think where else to put it so.....
Got Your Back
--Copyright 2003 by Autumn Parker
the wife of a Green Beret currently serving in Iraq.
I am a small and precious child, my dad's been sent to fight...
The only place I'll see his face, is in my dreams at night.
He will be gone too many days For my young mind to keep track.
I may be sad, but I am proud. My daddy's got your back.
I am a caring mother. My son has gone to war...
My mind is filled with worries that I have never known before.
Everyday I try to keep my thoughts from turning black.
I may be scared, but I am proud. My son has got your back.
I am a strong and loving wife, with a husband who had to go...
There are times I'm terrified in a way most never know.
I bite my lip, and force a smile as I watch my husband pack...
My heart may break, but I am proud. My husbands got your back.
I am a soldier... Serving proudly, standing tall.
I fight for freedom, yours and mine, by answering this call.
I do my job while knowing the thanks it sometimes lacks.
Say a prayer that I'll come home. It's me who's got your back.
A different perspective on war one feels.
Got Your Back
--Copyright 2003 by Autumn Parker
the wife of a Green Beret currently serving in Iraq.
I am a small and precious child, my dad's been sent to fight...
The only place I'll see his face, is in my dreams at night.
He will be gone too many days For my young mind to keep track.
I may be sad, but I am proud. My daddy's got your back.
I am a caring mother. My son has gone to war...
My mind is filled with worries that I have never known before.
Everyday I try to keep my thoughts from turning black.
I may be scared, but I am proud. My son has got your back.
I am a strong and loving wife, with a husband who had to go...
There are times I'm terrified in a way most never know.
I bite my lip, and force a smile as I watch my husband pack...
My heart may break, but I am proud. My husbands got your back.
I am a soldier... Serving proudly, standing tall.
I fight for freedom, yours and mine, by answering this call.
I do my job while knowing the thanks it sometimes lacks.
Say a prayer that I'll come home. It's me who's got your back.
A different perspective on war one feels.
No wonder there are so many leaks coming out of the intelligence community nowadays. It seems they don't like the Bushies much at all.
Anyway, a former CIA official has come forth to say that Bush cherry picked the intelligence info used to get us into this idiot war in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4702054.stm
A few interesting quotes:
""It has become clear that official intelligence analysis was not relied on in making even the most significant national security decisions, that intelligence was misused publicly to justify decisions already made, that damaging ill will developed between policymakers and intelligence officers, and that the intelligence community's own work was politicised," Mr Pillar writes.
He also blames the Bush administration for ignoring warnings that Iraq could easily fall into violence and chaos after the war to topple Saddam Hussein."
Anyway, a former CIA official has come forth to say that Bush cherry picked the intelligence info used to get us into this idiot war in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4702054.stm
A few interesting quotes:
""It has become clear that official intelligence analysis was not relied on in making even the most significant national security decisions, that intelligence was misused publicly to justify decisions already made, that damaging ill will developed between policymakers and intelligence officers, and that the intelligence community's own work was politicised," Mr Pillar writes.
He also blames the Bush administration for ignoring warnings that Iraq could easily fall into violence and chaos after the war to topple Saddam Hussein."
If Jack Murtha wasn't correct previously about a civil war in Iraq, he certainly is now:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060223...ARX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
I wonder what we're (the US) going to do now? Probably get right in the middle of it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060223...ARX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
I wonder what we're (the US) going to do now? Probably get right in the middle of it.
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mindido said:
Come on Min. It's that liberal media. They just won't report the good news in Iraq. They pounce on something minor like this whole mosque thing and blow it up into a big deal. Then they completely ignore all the Snickers bars handed to kids and the flowers that have been planted near US barracks.
Everything in Iraq is going great. The liberal media is the problem.
yes, this is sarcasm....
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Sarcasm? If there are 18 provinces and 14 of them are civil and the media calls civil war, then what part of this sentece did they happen to leave out? Were you told that the great majority of both sides are moderates? I'm sure you weren't but if so did you care or keep you fingers crossed for failure? I'm not trying to sound rude but FUCK. Also it never fails that a commercial break happens when the kids are getting their snickers and flowers.
