Wrestling 2005

[Cman]

All I know is that both Vince and Bret must be in fucking serious trouble to even consider this. There must be serious shit going on in their lives right now.

 

[jerseyboybastard]

I have to disagree that TNA is in the same position WCW was.

WCW was bought by Ted Turner, a billionaire who could drop a million on "rasslin'" without flinching as long as he felt it was in competent hands. WCW also had the power of Turner's advertising powerhouse behind it.

TNA, at best, is an independent promotion with a television deal. The pockets of Dixie Carter aren't as deep and therefore she has a lot more to lose if things aren't as successful.

As well, you have to consider that even pre-NWO, WCW had a vast following, more than TNA could ever hope to have. TNA has a small niche following. It comes down to casual fans just not knowing or caring about TNA's existence.

Comparing TNA to WCW is laughable. Now comparing them to the original ECW would, in some ways, be more accurate.

So far, TNA has been taking small steps in building their company. While Monday night will be a big night, they have a lot more riding on it than the WWE does on even competing. Hopefully, they don't disappoint. I want them to succeed, but they're still hit or miss with me and they're gonna have to really bring their a-game to keep me for all 3 hours.

And think about this - TNA brags about bringing in Hogan a month ago to build for their show. WWE counters a week before the show with Bret Hart on Raw and the whole internet community is abuzz.

To me, that's like starting a chess game and after your opponent's first move, taking a few minutes to act like you're worried, but then immediately gaining a checkmate, leaving them no way of escape. The game's over in a matter of minutes.

At the end of the day, though, regardless of how TNA does, I can absolutely see Dixie and company saving face and saying that Monday was a huge success.

 

[JonathanVonErich]

Can't wait for Bret's return.....it's the only reason i watch wrestling now...Raw and Smackdown are so boring....I buy the PPVs, and i buy DVDs from the 80s and 90s....

 

[-KA-]

This would not be a real wrestling topic without this:

WRESTLING IS FAKE!!!

 

[chokeslamcena]

Am I correct in saying that TNA have also got Rob Van Dam lined up for Monday aswell?

Personally, I think WWE should have called in The Rock for Monday night. The Rock would be significantly better than Bret in terms of entertainment value. Bret is a sour man, whose character is so 2D nowadays that it doesn't matter what position you put him in anymore, the Screwjob is all that he will ever be known for (which is a sad thing really, as he has had a lot more to offer).

Due to his insurance claim with Lloyds of London, he can never, ever become physically involved, so we already know before RAW even airs, that he will confront HBK/Vince/HHH, but no matter what is said, no one will hurt anyone (DX VS The Dynasty = Main Event? Bret refs from outside and "screws" DX? Terribly idea, but likely).

The Rock on the other hand, is so upbeat and quick-witted. You can quite literally throw him in the ring or on camera with any other wrestler and he will make a show of that character, plus it also gives an opportunity for some of the older run-ins (ie; bumping into Hurricane "Hamburglar" Helms, and other people). He is truly a hilarious person, as displayed during his Hall Of Fame appearance not too long ago.

The last time we seen The Rock, he stated that he would be guest hosting. It then surfaced on the net the following day, that he would do it in January 2010, so I have no idea why WWE didn't call him in on this crucial night.

Personally, I think it will take a lot more than Hogan to make me tune into TNA. Hogan is not who he once was, and with all the bad media and press coverage he's getting these days, I don't know why TNA went after him in the first place.

Can you imagine how many unknown, athletic wrestlers, or ex-WWE mid-carders TNA could've signed for the same money they're gonna pay to have Hogan there? Crazy move on TNA's part.

 

[Kaneinite]

I've stopped watching.

I will see what's going on Monday night between both companies.

I will start watching again RELIGIOUSLY if they bring back The Rock in any shape or form.

They need The Rock...bad. He should have never left.

 

[Fatkid]

I heart wrestling!

 

[bobobill]

My damn Digital Cable got shut off so I can only watch one show tonight, wich will be RAW. I like TNA better but Bret Hart in a WWE ring again sounds a helluva lot better than hogan returning.

I just got one question, The forum i used to get them from isn't around anymore,can someone tell me a good place to download Impact?

 

[-KA-]

megarelease.net
wrestlingmafia.com

 

[nekkid]

Just watched all five hours of the monday night wars. Wow, I can't believe that I just wrote that. Well, hopefully it is a war. here are some of my
thoughts.

Overall, I have to say that TNA had the far superior show. There were some things that really didn't make sense but that is ok. I didn't understand why Ric Flair walked out during the main event.. and did nothing. I have no idea why they would bring back Orlando Jordan. The guy dressed in all black that disrupted the main event? What is that? I guess they could explain it later but it seemed forced and went no where. Nothing came of Sting looking around (I doubt that sting was the guy in all black) In my opinion, they brought in too many talents that they don't need.

On the good side. The show had a great pace and had me guessing hwat would happen next (I don't read spoilers). Having Hogan's role somewhat ambiguous remains interesting. Foley getting beat down was also interesting. Nasty Boys were funny in 3d locker room (God, I hope they don't wrestle though). bubba the love sponge might bring in some casual viewers. And not to mention an absolutely amazing Angle vs. AJ match.

WWE in my opinion dropped the ball with Bret. HBK and Bret just hug? Bret is gonna feud with Vince? I know the storyline just started but it came off kinda forced and weak to me. Sheamus squashes Evan Borne? The rest was pretty fast forward-able to me.

I'm gonna watch them both one more time tonight but so far I hope TNA gets a good rating because I think they deserve it.

 

[bobobill]

I got my cable hooked up in time, I had to watch this night live. I have to agree with nekkid TNA had the better show hands down. I was very disapointed with the whole Bret Hart BS they had, but it was great seeing him in the same ring with HBK again even if they just hugged.

The guy in black has been attacking Styles for about a month now and should be explained at their next PPV I hope.

Overall It was a great night of wrestling, being able to switch back and forth was the best part of the night for me. I misss the good ol days.

 

[phynix]

The guy in the black I believe is Tomko. From what I've heard if last night shows it ses that TNA was a stronger show with more flow and also title changes!! RAW was hot and miss ok we had 'the' handshake but then the old turn on! Typical WWE we've seen it before we'll see it again - ironically that's how you describe Hogan!

 

[bungee666]

rassle

I havent really got into TNA to much the only ones i like there are the KNOCKOUTS TARA nail that ass (DAMN), Kevina NASH Scoot "drinks till he passes out" Hall and signed back xpack; Bret has some MIC rust like crazy the hug seemed forced Jeff hardy is good in TNA cant wait to see what he does. I read the reason they brought Bret back is to work the HART Foundation push against like legacy or degeneration x.

 

[-KA-]

TNA kicked WWE's ass this monday, I hope they can keep up the pace. I haven't wathced wrestling without skipping a long time.

 

[nekkid]

Good point KA. I feel like I 'have' to see tna on monday. LIke the old must see tv in the 90's.

I'm not suprised the vince/bret/hbk sruff was bland. Bret was always boring on the mic. Now that he can't wrestle, he really doesn't bring much other than nostalgia.

I'm tempted to read ths soilers from the impact taping. Is there impact this thursday? next thursday? whats the story?

 

[bobobill]

It looks like Impact will be a replay on thursday, wich I will be watching again.

 

[ssmith2010]

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I couldn't believe how badly TNA sucked. Basically, they filled three hours by parading out a bunch of old WWF/WWE/WCW guys (and I do mean OLD) and then talked endlessly (and boringly!) about how great they're going to be and how they're going to be number 1.

All the current feuds and storylines were pushed aside to bow at the feet of Hogan and the new guys. And Hogan couldn't even remember the storylines -- after an hour of showing us how his limo was approaching, the first thing he said was, "We've been in the back all day."

Actually, though, I stand corrected about the new guys -- they brought in a bunch of old guys and one habitual substance abuser who has failed multiple drug tests in the WWE and was just indicted for possession of a massive amount of illegal drugs.

 

[phynix]

You basicly just described what TNA has been doing for the last 5 years! Bringing in the old guys and ignoring the new younger talent that helped to build the company. I got excited when Hogan stated he was coming to TNA to focus on the younger talent but from what I saw on Monday that was a just talk. Hogan seems more interested in reliving the glory days and that means bringing in all those that were with him reguardless of whether they can still wrestle or even wall unaided!

 

[nekkid]

Ssmith, TNA did bring old guys in, you are absolutely right. Why is that bad, but not bad when wwe brings back a guy that had a stroke, and hasn't been relevent since 1998, talk about a 13 year old match with another guy in his 40's and the owner of the company who is in his 60's?

In my opinion (as you said, different strokes, and I agree, I'm not trying to fight here) WWE just did the same old thing they have been doing since 2005. Push John Cena, hhh, hbk, and orton. Other than Sheamus winning by accidently putting Cena threw a table as the original ECW fans say "Same Old Shit.... Same Old Shit".

Same formula every week:
Guest host comes out, makes matches, Jerishow doesnt like the matches.
Matches still happen
MVP and Kofi hang with the guest host
Hornswaggle has stupid match with Chavo or dx and messes with guest host
Santino messes with guest host
Same main event involving Cena, hhh, hbk, or orton.

At least tna did something different and made a big noise. If you didn't like the old wrestlers coming in (which is fine), then you at least have to admit that angle vs. Aj was f'n amazing. And better than anything raw had to offer.

 

[jerseyboybastard]

My 2-part breakdown and analysis of the January 4th shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzhlu7V3BjQ - part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GqmLIyhNS8 - part 2

Pretty much sums up my thoughts of the night.