Wrestling 2005

[-KA-]

I hope JBL won't be in it. I'd like to see Morrison and Shelty-B in it.

 

[nekkid]

I would like to see Morrison, or Hardy win it. Morrison NEEDS it, HArdy deserves another shot. I think HArdy will win the title after mania some time.

 

[-KA-]

He might If Cena doesn't.

 

[bobobill]

Is Owen Hart haunting Kemper Arena? That's kinda creepy.

http://media.www.anchorweb.org/medi...2/05/Lifestyles/Haunted.America-3189377.shtml

 

[KABOOM]

Is Owen Hart haunting Kemper Arena? That's kinda creepy.

http://media.www.anchorweb.org/medi...2/05/Lifestyles/Haunted.America-3189377.shtml

Ya know, I wouldn't doubt it. When I went to Backlash however many years ago it was when it was in KC (I know it was Hollywood Hogan vs. HHH, because I still have the t-shirt) and my dad and I were in the nosebleeds, I swear I saw someone moving around in the rafters. It was the same place where he was too, cause I was there that night as well. I'll never forget that. Hopefully when Kemper starts to lose money from now being an "equestrian arena" and gets demolished like it should be done anyway. Not like the Sprint Center looks much better. A fucking orb of glass that sits I think 5,000 less than Kemper. But at least they're finally rebuilding the shithole that is downtown Kansas City. Now the hookers and crack dealers are gonna have to find another place to go.

--end of rant--

 

[KABOOM]

Not huge news but still:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080208/ap_en_tv/tv_smackdown_smacked

 

[phynix]

My god how impressive is chuck pulumbo his attack on jamie noble this week on smackdown was pure heel his cork screw driver as well is powerful and impressive I would like to see what else chuck can do!

 

[saeko nogami]

unfortunately phynix i don't see chuck palumbo getting over midcard status.he will forever be remembered as being part of the billy and chuck gay gimmick.

 

[nekkid]

The one thing that I learned in pro wrestling is that absolutely ANYONE can get over. I mean I will ist a bunch of names that no one really expected anything from and they got over HUGE:

JBL
Foley
DDP
Austin (everyone thought he was a tag team specialist)
Cena (he was just your everyday OVW candidate, never even champ)


Those are some of the biggest names in history. Now, I will be absolutely shocked if Polumbo is world champ one day, but weirder things have happened. Getting over is all timing and a lot of luck (sometimes hard work is involved), unfortunately it happens to some guys that don't deserve it (Ex. Goldberg)

 

[-KA-]

Little correction. JBL, DDP, Austin and even Cena has charisma. Polumbo hasn't.
And Goldberg deserved to get over. But I might unfortunately be the only person it the world who thinks so.

 

[nekkid]

I agree, I think that you might be missing my point though. ALL those guys I listed have a TON of charisma. However it took many mnay years (except Cena) for them to find their pulse with the crowd.

WCW fired Austin and Foley and the reasons why are well known, basically no one knew how to use them. Austin surely didn't get over right away as "the ringmaster" in the wwe he even jobbed clean to Savio Vega once.

DDP was a manager and didn't start wrestling untill he was in his 30's. Even Ric Flair said he is the biggest suprise he ever saw. I never really cared for DDP but you can't deny that the crowd loved him for whatever reason.

NO ONE and I mean no one thought JBL would amount to shit, I mean he is fat and is an average wrestler at best, he came to the ring with a whip and was called Blackjack Bradshaw or something at one time. Many people thought it was a complete joke (and still do) that he beat Eddie Guerero for the title. The wwe finally gave him a chance to run with the ball and he did very well. IMO the only reason he was given a shot was because they realized he was very well spoken and smart because of his CNBC appearences.

You could even throw the rock in the mix. He was a complete joke when he came out as Rocky Miavia (SP?). He looked like some kind of jerry curled Hula dancer.

Hell Kane could be put into that category as well, before being the undertakers brother he was "fake" Diesel. Not exactly the best way to win over fans. Then he had the LAME gimmick of the masked bro of taker that can produce fire by moving his arms. Even when his mask came off and there was nothing wrong with his appearence other than shaved eyebrows he was still over. Now he is a huge superstar, former champ (beating Austin in his prime) and the wwe made a movie around him.

My point is that it takes time in most cases to channel ones charisma into a way that the crowd will react. So its hard to determine who will make it big and who won't based on.. anything really. Polumbo might have charisma he might not but its very hard to say unless they give him or anyone a shot.

Goldberg is an exception (as well as Cena). Goldberg came along at the perfect time with the perfect look. IMO he has ZERO charisma. Has he ever cut a good promo? Unless charisma is defined by swinging your arms up and down like an idiot and sticking your tongue out, then he is full of charisma. When I say he didn't deserve what he got, I mean that there were a shitload of guys in WCW that deserved the title because of the years of hard work they put in at that time long before Goldberg came along (Rey, Benoit, Hall, Eddie, Jericho just to name a few).

 

[saeko nogami]

yes but all these names you mention except jbl made it big during the golden era of wrestling[1995-2002],now most people are bored with the current product,it's even harder for wrestlers to get a reaction out of the crowd.Does anyone know the reason why lashley left wwe?

 

[-KA-]

No-one knows the reason except Lashley and WWE.
I quess Lashley was tired to get shit from fans and the creative team. Or as a real athlete, he just wanted to to something more challenging like MMA.

 

[nekkid]

Samoa Joe didn't renew his TNA contract that expires in June. That should be interesting. I think that Joe should stay in TNA for a while longer, unless the E offers him a big ass contract. I just don't see him getting over in the wwe because, sadly, I don't think that he has the look that Vince likes.

I mean, Joe is a great wrestler in my opinion but he has fair mic skills at best and he is fat by wwe standards. Few, have made it to the top in wwe history that were fat (Yoko, JBL, Foley).

It would be a great suprise though, and I would love to see him give Cena or Orton those great powerful kicks to the head.

OK what are the NWO predictions? Here is mine..

Cena vs. Orton... I really don't know. For some reason I am taking Orton, Cena could still challenge at mania since he won the rumble right?

Rey vs. Edge... Edge, I don't thik Rey is a big enough Wrestlemania draw

Raw elim chamber.. HHH, I think it will be HHH or Hardy, but HHH has been in the main event at mania ina while

Smackdown elim chamber... I'll go with Taker, then it would be streak vs. streak at mania with Edge vs. Taker

Chavo vs. Punk... Chavo, then punk would win at mania

Flair vs. Kennedy.. This HAS to be Flair

Kind of a tough one I think. I went 2 for 5, I think everyone else got 3 for 5 last ppv (JBL vs. Y2J was a dq so that was a wash)

 

[-KA-]

I agree with the Samoa Joe points, except the fat part. He has a chance to make it in the WWE. Look at other fat guys in the WWE right now...

Umaga - long time unbeaten. ex-Intercontinental Champ (would be a great tag team )
Trevor Murdoch - multiple time tag-team champ.
Mark Henry - gets to beat up main eventers.
Rey Mysterio - uncountable list of titles.

If Cena loses he can't challenge Orton at WM, winner of the chamber can.

My NWO Predictions.

Cena vs. Orton...Must be Orton.

Rey vs. Edge... Edge, no way I want to see the oversized shrip to be champ again.

Raw elim chamber.., I have no idea. I go for Y2J or Hardy.

Smackdown elim chamber... It's gonna be boring and unfortunately Taker will win it and unfortunately he'll be the champ after WM

Chavo vs. Punk... I don't give a shit. PUNK.

Flair vs. Kennedy..No way Flair is gonna loose b4 Mania.

 

[phynix]

Hey if your gonna have a list of fat wrestlers put Matt Hardy on that list Fat Matt is a high calliber fat wrestler "Ohh Yeah!"

 

[nekkid]

KA, I wrote that few fat wwe wrestlers have made it the "TOP" in the past. Rey was definately not fat when he was champ. Those guys have had success but haven't been champ.

Umaga and Samoa Joe as a tag team would be great. Maybe the new wild samoans or the samoan bulldozers haha.

 

[phynix]

Samoa joe has found his place in tna but I think he should stay put as I see the tna title in his future, being with kevin nash is definatly helping him. Umaga was a good IC champ but once he was pinned (fucking Cena) he lost all that power that be had now he's the same as ever other big guy looks big is big but can be beaten.

MVP has taken rick rudes place as the fifth longest reining US champ.

As much as I would love for randy to win at NWO I just don't see them going that was here's hoping for a shock finish!

 

[nekkid]

MVP is only 5th? Wow, it seems like he has been champ FOREVER. I think MVP is pretty good, but I don't think he can carry that Elim chamber match at this point in his career yet, hopefully I am wrong. He needs some new ring attire as well, he looks like a ghetto power ranger.

I have a question for you guys. I always hear about ring of honor. Is it on tv? How do people watch it? youtube?

 

[KABOOM]

So...I just saw a preview for smackdown tonight...WTF happened to Vicky Guerro and what is Edge doing to her?